A time for madness and God's judgment

[Mark777]

Scripture clearly says that we aren't appointed to wrath. Seems to me we would already be in Daniel's 70th week if America, or any nation, is under judgement.

Maybe you should listen before you comment. Judgement doesn't necessarily mean wrath.

[cocopea9052]

Maybe you should listen before you comment. Judgement doesn't necessarily mean wrath.

Yes, yes, this is what I am trying to ask the question on.

[Teotwawki]

Hi RR,

Wondering... we are told that God is not judging America and we are not to state that he is-- or by way of examples like Hurricane Katrina or 9/11. But my question is; How do we know God is not judging America? And how would we know if he was? Any scripture would be great!

Thanks All and God Bless! :hug


Note: We cannot discuss specifically that he is per rules. I just want to know how do we know if he is or is not.

Just because something isn't a "judgement" doesn't mean it isn't still an act of God. A "judgement" is something that is final; God sends the wicked to hell and spares the righteous as in the flood or Soddom and Gomorrah.

God also sends warnings, and punishments, which aren't necessarily final, and therefore aren't "judgements", but are still acts of God. Like scattering the Jews for centuries to every nation, which began in 70 AD, that was a punishment but not a judgement because it was not final, God eventually brought them back. Hurricane Katrina was just the same, it absolutely was an act of God (only God can control the weather) but was not a judgement because He didn't kill all the wicked and spare all the righteous. It was a warning, to rattle our cage (didn't work unfortunately).

[Sons of Thunder]

Hum, I don't mean "wrath", I mean judged as in things occurring because of the behavior of the people? I totally agree we will not see God's wrath as that is the reason why the Church will be removed. And I know many here do believe we will see conditions grow far worse and as a result suffer.....if that be the case is that judgment right now--- before the Rapture?

I believe we are reaping the natural consequences of sin and unrighteousness from falling away from God for the most part - not direct judgement from God. This is obviously bad enough...can't imagine what real judgement and wrath will be like.

[Teotwawki]

Hum, I don't mean "wrath", I mean judged as in things occurring because of the behavior of the people? I totally agree we will not see God's wrath as that is the reason why the Church will be removed. And I know many here do believe we will see conditions grow far worse and as a result suffer.....if that be the case is that judgment right now--- before the Rapture?

Things do still occur as a result of the behavior of the people. For example if a nation blesses Israel they will be blessed and if they curse them then they will be cursed. That is still in effect today even in the "age of grace."

[Mark777]

Yes, yes, this is what I am trying to ask the question on.

God often begins jusdgement by removing His hand of restraint and leaves the people to suffer the consequences of their own sins. He lets those sinful cultures/nations bring themselves down. I think you can clearly see that happening in America now.

Romans 1:18-32 gives a good outline of this type of judgement.

This is not to be confused with the coming wrath during the Tribulation. That's another sort of judgement altogether.

[Sons of Thunder]

Maybe you should listen before you comment. Judgement doesn't necessarily mean wrath.

Could you give me a brief synopsis of the difference, in their opinion, between judgement and wrath? I don't have the time to listen to the sermon.

[cocopea9052]

He didn't kill all the wicked and spare all the righteous. It was a warning, to rattle our cage (didn't work unfortunately).

Okay Folks,

Bare with me as I see if I gain understanding from this discussion (I'll follow up on the links a bit later).

So, it is only a "judgment" if God kills the wicked and spares the righteous? And that has always been the way it was done in the bible?

So, at this time, between God's pulling away his protection, and us suffering the consequences of a fallen nation. and all the ignored warnings.....whatever results are produced from that is not judgment, but more our own doing?

[cocopea9052]

God often begins judgment by removing His hand of restraint and leaves the people to suffer the consequences of their own sins. He lets those sinful cultures/nations bring themselves down. I think you can clearly see that happening in America now.

Yes, that is basically what I just asked for confirmation on.

[Caveman]

My opinion is that we are just seeing the results of GOD pulling his protection away from our nation...America wants GOD out of every aspect of our culture so he is just granting their request. :idunno

my sentiments exactly :thumb

who was it that said,
"If God soesn't punish America soon,
He'll have to apologise to Sodom and Gamorah"