A time for madness and God's judgment

[Anddra]

The Lord has spoke once for all from heaven, in His Son. The world is condemned already, and they don't know it. Lots of things can be said towards this, but one thing is for sure, no man knows what judgment is from God, and what is not. so we don't let people WAG about it, to say it simply.

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This scripture comes to mind ...

There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luke 13:1-5 (KJV)

[Iruntherace4Him]

When the land sins against God, He brings famine to it, but for the righteous they will be saved and delivered though the land be desolate. Like Job, Daniel ,and Noah , they are as the righteous as we are who are in Christ, no matter how bad things get we need to know that God is good and He will not leave us. He will not allow the waters to overflow us even during famine. What is famine ? Be comforted when you see the severe judgments of God on the land. Ezekiel 14:12-23. I believe God to be true to His Word and as a personal application this to be true. Psalm 73 .Truly God is good to Israel, and if He is good to Israel He is good to us.

[JY11]

I believe we are reaping the natural consequences of sin and unrighteousness from falling away from God for the most part - not direct judgement from God. This is obviously bad enough...can't imagine what real judgement and wrath will be like.

I agree.

[We_6_4_Him]

This is something I have been pondering for a while so I am glad it has come up...

The way I look at it, judgment is not only the pronouncement of a verdict it is also the act of deciding whether something is good or bad. Similarly, we are not to discriminate against people, but we are to be discriminating about our choices and, to choose wisely.

If God, as perfect Judge with complete wisdom, determines that a group of people (especially those called by His name) are not walking in righteousness, He has MADE the judgment. It is as simple as stating that black is black and white is white. Pronouncing judgment would be different and would have eternal consequences. As believers, we are spared the wrath that comes from the pronouncement of judgment because that wrath has been satisfied in Jesus :yeah

That leads me to these verses and specifically vs 17!

1 Peter 4:15-17 says, "But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people's matters. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. For the time has come for judgment to begin in the house of God and if it begins with us first what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?"

Rhetorical question alert: Does God want us (those who wear/bear His name) to reflect Him clearly?

As the Church has not been a pure reflection, He will purify out of love and NOT WRATH.

2 Cor 7:1 "Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. "

He wants us to cooperate with this process, thus the warnings

1 Peter 4:12, 13 "Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ's sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy.

Whether trials and tribulations are called "Judgments" is irrelevant as long as we are seeking Him and and desiring to HEAR Him when He speaks. If our country is going through trials and tribulations, we should take that as God giving us LOTS of opportunities to call unbelievers to repent. His kindness leads to repentance. Discipline is unpleasant, but when it is done right, it is done in love. God loves us and disciplines those He loves!

Thoughts?

[peaceseeker]

My opinion is that we are just seeing the results of GOD pulling his protection away from our nation...America wants GOD out of every aspect of our culture so he is just granting their request. :idunno

Yes, giving us the desires of collective hearts. Not judgment per se, just granting our free will to be expressed and honored.

[We_6_4_Him]

When the land sins against God, He brings famine to it, but for the righteous they will be saved and delivered though the land be desolate. Like Job, Daniel ,and Noah , they are as the righteous as we are who are in Christ, no matter how bad things get we need to know that God is good and He will not leave us. He will not allow the waters to overflow us even during famine. What is famine ? Be comforted when you see the severe judgments of God on the land. Ezekiel 14:12-23. I believe God to be true to His Word and as a personal application this to be true. Psalm 73 .Truly God is good to Israel, and if He is good to Israel He is good to us.


Good points! Thanks :)

[WVBORN56]

This is something I have been pondering for a while so I am glad it has come up...

The way I look at it, judgment is not only the pronouncement of a verdict it is also the act of deciding whether something is good or bad. Similarly, we are not to discriminate against people, but we are to be discriminating about our choices and, to choose wisely.

If God, as perfect Judge with complete wisdom, determines that a group of people (especially those called by His name) are not walking in righteousness, He has MADE the judgment. It is as simple as stating that black is black and white is white. Pronouncing judgment would be different and would have eternal consequences. As believers, we are spared the wrath that comes from the pronouncement of judgment because that wrath has been satisfied in Jesus :yeah

That leads me to these verses and specifically vs 17!

1 Peter 4:15-17 says, "But let none of you suffer as a murderer, a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody in other people's matters. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter. For the time has come for judgment to begin in the house of God and if it begins with us first what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?"

Rhetorical question alert: Does God want us (those who wear/bear His name) to reflect Him clearly?

As the Church has not been a pure reflection, He will purify out of love and NOT WRATH.

2 Cor 7:1 "Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. "

He wants us to cooperate with this process, thus the warnings

1 Peter 4:12, 13 "Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ's sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy.

Whether trials and tribulations are called "Judgments" is irrelevant as long as we are seeking Him and and desiring to HEAR Him when He speaks. If our country is going through trials and tribulations, we should take that as God giving us LOTS of opportunities to call unbelievers to repent. His kindness leads to repentance. Discipline is unpleasant, but when it is done right, it is done in love. God loves us and disciplines those He loves!

Thoughts?

Agreed, good scriptural thoughts...We could also add Hebrews 12 to this as well. God disciplines those he loves as a father disciplines his son.

Also welcome to the board...I like your board name. Does it refer to your family?

[cocopea9052]

I assume this is specific to this board, correct?


Yes, just restating the rule. I forget which number it is.


"....but one thing is for sure, no man knows what judgment is from God, and what is not. so we don't let people WAG about it, to say it simply.

And, yes I suppose that is it in a nutshell! Thanks.

[cocopea9052]

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Thanks everyone, you all provided much for me to glean understanding from. I appreciate that the use of the word "judgment" has been shown to mean many things to different people and under different circumstances.

And definitely discipline and testing from the Lord can surely feel like a personal judgment, and I suppose in a way it is. If God has decided he needs to contend with you over a matter, as a result of something you are or are not doing, then he certainly has rightfully judged for our own sake.

I do know that after the Rapture, no one will have to ask, are we being judged......

Thanks again! :hat

[LookingUplinda]

God must be doing some judgin, because last summer when the church in Mpls. voted in gay bishops, SOMEBODY tipped that churches cross off the top of that church!!!! Nothing else was effected!!!!:faint