homosexuals help

[tracker]

I have a brother who is gay:ohno I have had nothing to do with him for sometime now but here latley we have been talking. He beleaves there is a god. But not the one in the Bible. I love my brother and want to see his eyes opened to the truth. That Jesus Christ died for our sins and he is the only way to GOD. But I am not a good debater,Any ideas? Is there a web site that anyone knows of that I can point him to or get some info from?:idunno He is interested the nephilim and I have sent him some info out of the Bible on the subject,at least he is reading some of Gods words:thumb

[pegmo]

This isn't exactly what you have asked for....but in case it gets to this point, here is the link for Exodus, a Christian organization that works with homosexuals and lesbians who wish to leave the lifestyle and follow Jesus.

http://www.exodus-international.org/

[SuzyQ]

May I ask why you have had nothing to do with your brother ? Is it because he is gay ?

Pray for your brother and stay in his life (out of love) to keep light in his life. Share and pray.

I have a son who is gay and my son knows where I stand. And I know where his beliefs are. I wanted to share this with you from a women I met online with a group of six mothers we called our selves........... Faithful Parents and pray for each other and our sons and families.

Sue, I haven't been on the computer all summer. I don't have access
anymore at home. I have to use the school's at noon or after school.
I got to go and see my son this fall just before school started and had a
great visit. I haven't been to his home, but he came to our daughter's to
see me, my Mom and Dad. He knows we don't agree with his lifestyle, but
still love him. My parents are 91 and 87 and they couldn't be more loving
to Kevin. Our other sons will not associate with him and makes our
holidays horrible events if Kevin comes home for it. They can't see that
showing love to him is Christ-like, not condoning his actions. Christ came
to save sinners. It was love that made him die for us. Pray for our other
two sons that they can get their thinking straight. I still believe he
will come back out of it some day and pray for that event. (removed name)

I hope this helps you. It is very hard for the family members, and I say take it to the LORD and pray daily for the scales to be removed from their eyes, and know the truth of the bible, as we should for any loved one who is in a sin.

[theroc]

Hey:hug

When I talk with agnostics or atheist, I give them 3 simple proofs and then the law or the good test.
Without going into major apologetics we can give them 3 simple proofs! Basically just enough to allow there mind to start going so you can give them the Law and Gospel.


The Painting-If I had a painting right here I would know there is a painter. If I saw this building here, I would know there was an architect ...so if you add into the fact that of our human complexity, or rather our sexual reproduction system on how everything fits perfectly and reproduces or how the galaxy and earth is placed in just the right spot to have life...you would see that if we see an earth we would think there would be a creator...an intelligent designer.


The Conscience- Whether you're a member of a tribe in the deep parts of Africa or you're a high school student in America, you know that there is right and wrong. You know that it's bad to kill and to steal because you have a natural law established in your head: aka the conscience. So we know that there's an intelligent designer and we know he is good and we should do good...with that said it brings us to the next point


The Prophecies- There are:

8,362 Predictive verses (Foretell)

1,817 predictions

737 separate matters (issues)

J.Barton Encyclopedia of Biblical Prophecy


In the Old Testament (Tenach), there are roughly 300 prophesies on who the messiah would be…

1. He was to be in the line of David (Ps 89:3-4, 2 Sam 7:12-16)

2. He would be born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2)

3. He would be born of a Virgin (Isa 7:14)

4. He would live in Galilee (Isa 9:1, 2)

5. His missions would include the gentiles (Isa 42:1-4)

6. He would be pierced (Zech 12:10)

7. Resurrection followed by destruction of Jerusalem (Dan 9:26:1131:12:1, 11)

8. Betrayed by a friend for 30 pieces of silver (Zech 11; 1-13, Ps 41:9)

9. He would teach through parables (Isa 6:9-10, Ps 78:2)

10. Ministry would be one of healing (Isa 53:4)


Hundreds of years after this was written, all 300 plus verses were fulfilled by Jesus. This goes on to show how the Bible is the breathing word of God. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16





The Good Test (the law)

WDJW


goodpersontest.com

Part 1: Would you consider your self to be a good person?

Are you good enough for Heaven?


Part 2: Do you think you have kept the 10 commandments?




Have you ever lied before?

Rev 21:8




Ever stolen?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10




Ever look at someone with lust?

1.Mathew 5:28

2.Corinthians 6:9-10




Ever used God's name in vain?

Leviticus 24:16






Part 3: Judgment, Innocent or Guilty?

The ten commandments show God's standard and how high it is, so since you admit that you're a lying, thieving, adulterous, blasphemer and according to the Bible all liars, thieves, adulterers, and blasphemers will all have their part in the lake of fire…would you be guilty?


Part 4: Would you go to heaven or hell by this standard?



After you share with them the law...give them 3 verses to help them understand Salvation and make sure you put in the word repent somewhere in there.



John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life

Romans 10:9

that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast


and make sure to pray for Him and for God to give you the words for it is not us that speak but His Holy Spirit.

[MrMannn]

He is mired in a deep addictive sin. There IS no argument you can use to win him over.
--->all you can do is give him over to God.

1) The simple Gospel, basic 101 stuff. Its all or nothing, he can't pick and choose.
2) Prayer---your main weapon. Pray everyday.
3) Love. You don't have to accept his lifestyle to love him. His boyfriends don't need to be made welcome. But he is family, he's blood. Love him as a brother.

No argument will convince him of his sin...only the Holy Spirit can do that.
Prayer is what he needs most now.

[SuzyQ]

How Will You Respond to Homosexuality?

By Alan Chambers - Oct 2, 2007 - 28
Man on Bench

One night while she was co-hosting The 700 Club, Sheila Walsh felt led to pray for homosexuals. Honoring the Holy Spirit's prompting, she thanked God for His love for homosexuals and His desire for a relationship with them. She then invited all homosexual viewers to pray with her for salvation. When Sheila finished praying she encouraged those who had prayed with her to go to a church in their area, tell the pastor that they had asked Jesus into their heart, and say, "Sheila Walsh sent me."

Sheila later received a letter from a gay man who had been watching the broadcast. He had asked Jesus into his heart, gone to a local church, met with the pastor, shared that he was gay and about the broadcast he saw. The pastor responded, "We don't have room for fags in this church." In his letter, the man shared that he was grateful to her, but that being a part of "The Church" was just not possible.

I have heard and told this story many times, but I still cringe when I think of that honest, broken, searching man who poured out his heart only to be rebuked by a pastor with a reckless tongue and un-Christlike heart. I wish I knew where to find him so I could share that all pastors and churches are not like that one and that God is not like the pastor he spoke with.

Over the years I have found that many times churches respond to the issue of homosexuality with either an angry and judgmental response or an acceptance of homosexuality as a viable alternative to heterosexuality. Both are equally wrong and inaccurate representations of God's response. Most of you know the truth: While homosexuality is not a viable or biblical lifestyle, far too often the church has not extended God's grace to those who are same-sex attracted. For many of us, it is easier to see the issue as right vs. wrong than it is to love them.

As a member of the Body of Christ, I have experienced nearly every side of the issue of homosexuality. As a young Southern Baptist, I remember hearing my pastor say, "All homosexuals go to hell" and "Homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God." I remember how hopeless that made me feel because, if my thoughts were any indication of who I was becoming, I was one of 'those homosexuals'. As a teenager, I struggled in silence with feelings I had not chosen. Though I had not yet acted on those feelings, I was condemned to hell by a pastor and church that never once shared that there was hope for someone like me. The guilt, shame, and condemnation became so unbearable that I sped through railroad crossings with my eyes closed hoping that a train would hit my car and end it all. At age eighteen I vowed that I would never return to church because it did not have an answer for me. From my perspective, the Body of Christ made it very easy for me to run bloodied and bruised into the open arms of a gay community that was glad to have me. Indeed, many of those people had their own "church stories" to tell.

Unfortunately, I had to find out firsthand that gay life offered only more loneliness, desperation, and death; had the Church offered some small sign that it was a safe place for me, perhaps I could have avoided immersing myself in gay culture at the age of eighteen. Thankfully, my brother introduced me to a church that called sin "sin" and yet loved people who were unlovely. After I had attended that church only a few weeks, two bold and loving church members walked into a gay bar to find me on Easter Sunday 1991. They said that God had sent them to remind me that He loved me, they loved me, and they were committed to walking with me on the journey out of homosexuality. Recommitted to obedience, I was restored by that church. They taught me that change requires not only pointing the way, but also grabbing a person's hand and walking alongside.

Today I am the President of Exodus International, the world's leading Christian organization dedicated to mobilizing the Body of Christ to respond to a world impacted by homosexuality. Exodus began in 1976 because the Body of Christ had a long history of turning away those whom they do not understand. I long for the Church to be the living example of God's "kindness, tolerance and patience" so that many will come to repentance (Rom. 2:4).

In order for that longing to become reality, we, as the members of the Body of Christ, need to be reminded of our own desperation prior to coming into a personal relationship with Christ. We need to admit that we may be ignorant, perhaps by choice, of the issues surrounding homosexuality: What are its roots and causes? What is it like for Christians who struggle with same-sex attraction but want to experience freedom in Christ? As the Body of Christ, we must also renounce our fear and insecurity in dealing with the issue of homosexuality. The reality is that homosexuality and those who deal with it exist in our cities, churches, and even some of our homes. It won't just go away. Those struggling must be given the opportunity to choose Christ and change if they desire to do so. We must not be afraid to offer the truth in love.

Take a moment to think about your feelings regarding homosexual people. Have you offered only condemnation to those that identify as gay or lesbian? Have you chosen to ignore the issue completely out of fear or out of the misguided belief that it doesn't exist in your congregation? Have you acted out of ignorance, believing that the opposite of homosexuality is heterosexuality, when actually it is holiness? I encourage you to face the issue, learn all you can about it, and offer what you find to your congregation. There are numerous resources available. Visit the Exodus Web site (http://www.exodus.to) to find a ministry in your area, and then glean from their knowledge. Check the Exodus calendar for a training event in your area. Encourage your church to join the Exodus Church Network and become part of God's answer for your community.

On my wedding day in 1998, my friend Orel Hershiser charged me to "listen, listen, listen." That is my charge to you. Listen to those who have overcome homosexuality and learn how to help others. Listen to those involved in homosexuality and hear their anger and bitterness and choose to respond as Christ would to their hurt. Listen to those who are in the midst of the struggle and extend God's truth, grace, and all-encompassing love.

Alan Chambers is the President of Exodus International, a worldwide outreach with over 175 ministries in North America. Alan and his wife, Leslie, live in Orlando, Florida, with their two children. For more information on having Alan speak to your congregation, joining the church network or supporting Exodus, call 888-264-0877 or

[lisaann]

Way of the Master has a good video on witnessing to homosexuals. Here is a link to part 1 of 3 on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDgKxbL2jq4

[Beeferoni]

Just love your brother.

[tracker]

I want to thank everyone for the info It will help and I know that only God can heal both of us. Thanks and God bless