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heart4thelost
December 12th, 2008, 08:29 AM
heartforthelost, your sweet precious little Rhiannon Rose is definetley with her Heavenley Father! And hopefully soon we will all be their too, with Jesus and our beautiful children.
We are one one second, one minute, one hour, one day closer to the great reunion.
Many Hugs!
Kelly
Thank you so much. Christmas is a very hard time for me. I really needed to hear that today.:hug
rdy4jesus
December 12th, 2008, 12:41 PM
Thank you so much. Christmas is a very hard time for me. I really needed to hear that today.:hug
Best wishes from all of us to you and your family.
jayna
December 12th, 2008, 05:03 PM
Thanks for everyones responses to that post. I was trying to figure out what she/he was trying to say and it was very disturbing to me.
She/he might not have meant it the way it sounded but I see they haven't been back to respond.
God Bless you everyone. :hug
Sing4Him
December 13th, 2008, 12:17 PM
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24thchance
December 13th, 2008, 12:35 PM
"Age of accountability" where is this doctrine found?
Few people seem to agree on what goes on in this grey area of the bible.
I contend since God know's every what if,and or but that can ever exist,than my theory(no scripture available) on this fit's perfectly.
If that little aborted baby was allowed to grow to maturity,would he or she accept the Lord? There's only 1 way,thru faith in the risen Christ! .My position allows keeping this important truth while dealing w/the unknown factors such as babies,mentally retarded,and those who never heard.
Anyone agree?
Sing4Him
December 13th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Maybe you should read through this thread.
Where do I find the age of accountability in the Bible? What happens to babies and young children when they die?
Question: "Where do I find the age of accountability in the Bible? What happens to babies and young children when they die?"
Answer: The Bible tells us that even if an infant or child has not committed personal sin, all people, including infants and children, are guilty before God because of inherited and imputed sin. Inherited sin is that which is passed on from our parents. In Psalm 51:5, David wrote, "I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." David recognized that even at conception, he was a sinner. The very sad fact that infants sometimes die demonstrates that even infants are impacted by Adam’s sin, since physical and spiritual death were the results of Adam's original sin.
Each person, infant or adult, stands guilty before God; each person has offended the holiness of God. The only way that God can be just and at the same time declare a person righteous is for that person to have received forgiveness by faith in Christ. Christ is the only way. John 14:6 records what Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." Also, Peter stated in Acts 4:12, "there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved." Salvation is an individual choice.
What about babies and young children who never reach the ability to make this individual choice? The “age of accountability” is a concept that teaches those who die before reaching the “age of accountability” are automatically saved, by God’s grace and mercy. The “age of accountability” is a belief that God saves all those who die before reaching the ability to make a decision for or against Christ. Thirteen is the most common number given for the age of accountability based on the Jewish custom that a child becomes an adult at the age of 13. However, the Bible gives no direct support to the age of 13 always being the age of accountability. It likely varies from child to child. A child has passed the age of accountability once he or she is capable of making a faith decision for or against Christ.
With the above in mind, also consider the following: Christ's death is presented as sufficient for all of mankind. 1 John 2:2 says Jesus "is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." This verse is clear that Jesus' death was sufficient for all sins, not just the sins of those who specifically have come to Him in faith. The fact that Christ's death was sufficient for all sin would allow the possibility of God applying that payment to those who were never capable of believing.
The one passage that seems to identify with this topic more than any other is 2 Samuel 12:21-23. The context of these verses is that King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, with a resulting pregnancy. The prophet Nathan was sent by the Lord to inform David that because of his sin, the Lord would take the child in death. David responded to this by grieving, mourning, and praying for the child. But, once the child was taken, David's mourning ended. David's servants were surprised to hear this. They said to King David, "What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food." David's response was, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me." David's response can be seen as an argument that those who cannot believe are safe in the Lord. David said that he could go to the child, but that he could not bring the child back to him. Also, and just as important, David seemed to be comforted over this. In other words, David seemed to be saying that he would once again see the child (in heaven), though he could not bring him back.
Though the Bible leaves open the possibility, the one problem with saying that God applies Christ's payment for sin to those who can't believe is that the Bible does not specifically say that He does this. Therefore, this is a subject for which we should not be adamant or dogmatic. We can, however, be dogmatic about the fact that God ALWAYS does what is right.
Knowing the love and grace of God, God applying Christ’s death to those who cannot believe would seem consistent with His character. It is our position that God applies Christ's payment for sin to young children and those who are mentally handicapped, since they were not mentally capable of understanding their sinful state and their need for the Savior. Of this we are certain, that God is loving, holy, merciful, just, and gracious. Whatever He does, it is ALWAYS right and good.
jayna
December 13th, 2008, 04:24 PM
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Thank you for posting :thumb
Forgiven Sinner
December 16th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Today is Mikel's 4th anniversary of his beautiful life with Jesus. The family is going to his gravesite today to spend time together. We are going to put up a Christmas tree and decorate it with ornaments from all his friends and loved ones. My boy gets to Celebrate Christmas with Jesus again this year and for Eternity! Praise God!! Soon, real soon, we will be together again, Yes!! Father, I am so homesick and I really miss my Mikey, are we almost there yet?
God bless all of you and Have a Blessed Christmas!!! I love You!!
Kelly
jayna
December 16th, 2008, 04:50 PM
Today is Mikel's 4th anniversary of his beautiful life with Jesus. The family is going to his gravesite today to spend time together. We are going to put up a Christmas tree and decorate it with ornaments from all his friends and loved ones. My boy gets to Celebrate Christmas with Jesus again this year and for Eternity! Praise God!! Soon, real soon, we will be together again, Yes!! Father, I am so homesick and I really miss my Mikey, are we almost there yet?
God bless all of you and Have a Blessed Christmas!!! I love You!!
Kelly
:hug:hug:hug
We can only imagine what its like there where they are.... "are we almost there yet?" is right.. I ask that all the time. I do wish it would be very soon.
The Christmas tree is a great idea... enjoy your time together!
God Bless You and you have a blessed Christmas also.
pumkin67
December 17th, 2008, 01:17 AM
Today is Mikel's 4th anniversary of his beautiful life with Jesus. The family is going to his gravesite today to spend time together. We are going to put up a Christmas tree and decorate it with ornaments from all his friends and loved ones. My boy gets to Celebrate Christmas with Jesus again this year and for Eternity! Praise God!! Soon, real soon, we will be together again, Yes!! Father, I am so homesick and I really miss my Mikey, are we almost there yet?
God bless all of you and Have a Blessed Christmas!!! I love You!!
Kelly
God Bless you too Kelly! I bet Jesus' Birthday is a great celebration! I imagine the decorations are beautiful and the dinner great! I sure can't wait to Celebrate with them!
For all of those who feel sad during the holidays, we understand. Soon though, we will have a great celebration in Heaven! I know God is good and our gifts will be wonderful! I can't wait!:yeah
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