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October 17th, 2009, 09:04 AM
Any scriptures to support his view?
Hal cited 1 Corinthians 7:14 (NIV is the version I am using here):
For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
In 1 Corinthians, Chapter 7, Paul talked about the relationship between a man and wife, as well as the virtues of staying single, etc. Check out the preceding two verses to the Scripture that Hal used. Here's 1 Corinthians 7:12-13 (NIV):
To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.
Verse 14 came on the heels of the above passage. It seems to me that Hal is taking this out of context. I always thought that any child who has not reached the age of accountability would be raptured, period. End of discussion.
If I'm wrong, I'd appreciate it if anyone would let me know. Thanks!
October 17th, 2009, 09:20 AM
There have been many good and very in depth threads on here over the last few years addressing this very subject. I believe the bottom line is that any conclusions we draw will be conjecture on our part, scripture does not directly address the subject. :preach
October 17th, 2009, 09:38 AM
I was watching Hal Lindsey's special segment from yesterday and he reported a question that someone posed about children. It was asked if children would be included in the Rapture.
Hal said that if children who had not reached the age of accountability and had at least one believing parent would be included. Those who do not have believing parents would be given the opportunity to accept Christ once they reach the age of accountability - again, this will be during the tribulation.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think that Hal is wrong. I thought that all children who had not reached the age of accountability would be raptured, regardless of whether or not their parents were believers.
And, I was wondering just what is the age of accountability? Is it 12, or 13 or something else?
Check out the video on Hal's site. It's the one titled "Hal on the hot seat - 10/17/09"
Thoughts, anyone??? :scratch
Avvording to Jewish tradition 13 was the age of accountability I would think it would be the same but by the same tolken we consider our children not accountable till 21 in most cases.. In the times of the older jews and even the children up until the 20th century children learned real world skill and jobs and were forced to church in countries that had the gospel and in the jewish families temple and shabbet as well as all other aspects of real world skills were given indirection for the preperation for the coming of the 13th year in being then accountable to the rest of the world and not just the parents.. example would be David as a young child was left alone in a field with the wolves and lions trying to get sheep.
October 17th, 2009, 09:41 AM
There is no set age for accountability, as there is for driving and voting, it's subjective to the mental and spiritual (soul) maturation of the individual.
October 17th, 2009, 12:08 PM
Christ made it clear that children have Angels which watch over them
(those Angels behold the face of thier Heavenly Father which is in Heaven) , and He said woe to anyone who does anything to cause a child to stumble. I am fully convinced based on God's Mercy, His Grace, His Compassion, and His thoughts about child like faith that all children will be Raptured. Children do not have enough understanding to know and believe on the cross and the works done at Calvary. Children do know there is a God when you first mention Him to them because all have God Awareness. This is why God has said woe unto those who would prevent them from coming to Him. Children believe in God and it is the grownups and our sinful actions which detract from thier belief in Him as we pass on our "SPIRITUAL LEPROSY" deadening them from thier belief in Him. If a child dies at birth are we to believe God would send it to Hell when they are innocent in the purest way. Like wise since the Rapture is to remove those who don't warrent or deserve Judgment , should God leave the innocent children to face mankind's worst Judgment ever to suffer the same fate as the adults? IMHO all the children and those in the womb will go and it will also once and for all settle the question of when becoming a living being begins.IMHO
October 17th, 2009, 12:21 PM
Don't forget the concept though of Original sin. We are all BORN with original sin - and unless we accept Christ as our saviour we are a sinner. I do not know the question about children but i do know the Bible is silent on the topic.
Yes it says woe to anybody that causes a little one to sin - but it does not say what will happen to that little one.
Also it says during the trib "woe to those who have a young child" (it will be difficult for them to flee) - why was that child not raptured earlier?
I have no FIRM opinion - but I think it's hard to discuss because it's not addressed anywhere in scripture and thus all conjecture. I hope and pray that children will be raptured but it would not surprise me if they all are not either. We must remember that God is in perfect control - His ways are beyond our finite minds. Mishk.
Jesus is the Way
October 17th, 2009, 01:24 PM
I went to e-sword and read the Scripture 1Co 7:14 and the commentaries with it. Hal simply used a Scripture for his own interpretation, in my opinion. That Scripture has nothing to do with the way Hal used it. When he answered the part of the question as to whether pets would go in the rapture, he thought they would be in heaven (he didn't actually say they would go in the Rapture). He had no Scripture for that at all. :tsk
Hal found it comforting to think that pets might be in heaven, but didn't seem too bothered that children of unbelievers wouldn't be taken in the Rapture. He said that children of unbelievers would have a chance for salvation during the Tribulation, but if they died before the age of accountability they would go to heaven. So if they die, they go to heaven, but if they are alive when the Rapture occurs, they are left behind. :thinking
I don't know how God will handle things, but I can rest in confidence that it will be perfect.:thumb
October 17th, 2009, 01:33 PM
Very good video from Hal...... Click on the video dated 10/17/09....
October 17th, 2009, 01:57 PM
I have read some of the above comments with a bit of confusion. What is the point of accountability if the child is going to hell anyway? If we are not accountable until say the age of 13 years then wouldn't that mean that we could not make a choice to follow Christ or not until that age? So how could little children who are not accountable and cannot make a choice regarding their own salvation, be sent to hell? I thought people who were sent to hell were their because they refused Christ's free gift of salvation, not because their parent or parents didn't accept him.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
October 17th, 2009, 02:00 PM
Not too bad at all. Hal is such a blessing. I pray that he sees the rapture... he's so longed for it. And the Lord has blessed him to see 80 years. Think of all the things Hal has seen prophetically.
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