~ Children In Heaven ~ 2 Cor 1:3-4

[CharlotteMc]

I see there's still more posts about this "age of accountability" thing. Anyone yet have Scripture on this yet?

I had another thought as I was reading this thread... what if a kid in an unreached area of the world passes this "age of accountability"... heaven or hell for the kid who didn't get to hear about Jesus?

The child couldn't make a "decision" because he/she never got to hear the message of Jesus, couldn't repent and trust in Him alone... your thoughts on this? (posted to anyone saying there's an "age of accountability")... thanks!

People do not go to Hell because they haven't heard the message of Jesus. They go to Hell because they have sinned. Even if they never heard about God or salvation, they have a conscience that tells them it is wrong to murder, steal, lie, etc.

[Sing4Him]

People go to hell for rejection of the conviction of the Holy Spirit which leaves them unclean before God. (sinful state/ unrighteous)

[jayna]

Also by Randy Alcorn...HEAVEN

It's a wonderful, wonderful book. I am learning about Erica's new home and hopefully soon to be mine. I can have the bible open on one side and his book on the other! Awesome! I can only imagine!:hug

Yea, I've read Heaven and loved it, I refer back to it often. I look at it the same as you... our childrens home and soon to be ours. People that haven't lost people close like that rarely think of what heaven will really be like..... different from us huh?!!!!

Good to see you again!! :)

[amy_elisabeth]

People do not go to Hell because they haven't heard the message of Jesus. They go to Hell because they have sinned. Even if they never heard about God or salvation, they have a conscience that tells them it is wrong to murder, steal, lie, etc.

I agree completely.

[amy_elisabeth]

People go to hell for rejection of the conviction of the Holy Spirit which leaves them unclean before God. (sinful state/ unrighteous)

People go to hell because they have broken God's Laws = sin.

[Sister-N-Christ]

I see there's still more posts about this "age of accountability" thing. Anyone yet have Scripture on this yet?

I had another thought as I was reading this thread... what if a kid in an unreached area of the world passes this "age of accountability"... heaven or hell for the kid who didn't get to hear about Jesus?

The child couldn't make a "decision" because he/she never got to hear the message of Jesus, couldn't repent and trust in Him alone... your thoughts on this? (posted to anyone saying there's an "age of accountability")... thanks!

For adults:

“What can be known about God is plain to them, for God Himself made it plain. Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all” (Romans 1:20).

I don't believe babies go to hell.

[Jodi]

Her sister Laura's tribute to her...http://youtube.com/watch?v=L5BqbbJKZJk

My Amanda was a sweet, loving, generous child. She was always happy and full of life and playfulness. She was well loved by teachers, students, and administrators at her school. She had been a mentor that helped younger students with their studies, kind of like a big sister to them. So many of the elementary students came to her funeral. So did the principals of the schools, members of the school board, and teachers. They all told me how she brightened their lives and the halls of the schools with her smile and her helpfulness. They told me how she had lead the effort to collect pennies for leukemia patients at school. She spent last summer volunteering at the local no-kill animal shelter. The people there told me that she had been so patient and loving with the animals and did everything they asked her to do. She would hold each rabbit as its cage was cleaned - that could take 30 minutes a piece - and she never tired. She was gentle and kind with all the animals. She absolutely adored ducks and had many stuffed ducks. Her favorites were Bert and Ducky - they went everywhere with her. Most of all, she was my best friend. She could never bear to be separated from me and it was hard for me to be apart from her. She was always the first one to greet me when I got home from work; often, she would run out of the house to the car and throw open the door to give me a big hug and carry all my junk into the house. She loved to help me with anything I did; stacking wood, folding laundry, cooking, watching tv, shopping - it didn't matter. She would cuddle up to me on the couch to watch our favorite shows or just sit in the room and read while I worked on my homework or lesson plans. We went everywhere together and just enjoyed spending time together. She loved to have races with me to see who could get to the center of the tootsie pop without biting first.

Amanda was 11 when she died last August 3rd. We had been working on cleaning and organizing her room. When I left her, she was sitting on the floor in her little dressing area and I told her to just straighten up there and she could come downstairs. After I left her, she finished up the little area then decided to work on her beading...I know this because I found the necklace kit by the window when it hadn't been there before. Somehow, she got the idea to play a dangerous, horrible game called Damsel In Distress, a game we had never heard of until after she died. Unbeknownst to us, she had found this game on line, lured by a man who takes children's female cartoon characters, exagerates their physical sexual characteristics and places them in dangerous situations where they are tied up. He saves those drawings with the characters' names in the links. Little children find the perversion when they google the characters' names. We and the police think that Amanda was trying to tie herself up to play this game and slipped. I found her an hour after I left her, hanging from the rope tied to the shelf in her room. The rope had cut off the blood supply to her brain and incapcitated her within 1 or 2 seconds. She had no time to save herself or call out. I still flash back to finding her, struggling to get her down, and doing CPR.

She did not commit suicide. There is no evidence that she did. All accounts from friends and acquaintences say that she was happy and looking forward to so many things. She wanted to be back in school with her friends and in the Explorer program for gifted students. She wanted to be back in band playing her flute. She wanted to see the puppies that were being brought in to the shelter that day. She had just bought a birthday present for a friend whose party was in a few days. And she was excited about a visit from family that was to be in a week.

There are things that make her death so much more terrible. Like members of the community that were telling everyone that my daughter Rachel and I were witches and we had sacrificed Amanda. And the grief therapist who told me what a "terrible thing" I had done to Amanda because she was my best friend. What a "horrible burden" I had put on my beloved child that she had to deal with. I live now with that burned into my brain and heart.

I look forward to being in heaven with Amanda and Jesus again. I miss her more than words can ever say. I know that will be the only way that this pain will ever go away.

Hi Amanda's Mom. I've been thinking of you the whole day here. I know that it is the anniversary of a terrible day for you, and I just want to pray to God to keep you in His arms, next to His heart today. May He comfort you.:hug I believe I will meet you and Amanda soon in Heaven.

[ihope]

It's good to be back. I've been reading but afraid to post. This Labor Day weekend will be my year...it's like this BIG LOOMING DATE...I hate it! I wish it would hurry and pass and then I can't believe it'll be a year without my sweet girl! Her last words to me on the phone were...I love you too pookey face. :) :( (Happy and sad at the same time)

[Spud]

Greetings all,

A quick story then a question for the wise....

I'm sitting in my office reading RR and studying the Word and my Wife asks me to come into the other room. She gives me a little box and says happy late birthday. I open it and it contians a couple of little bows... one pink and one blue. She looks up at me and smiles. I ask... "Are you?....." She nods. My heart both leaps and sinks at the same time as I am a little freaked out this being our 4th.

I firmly believe that life starts at conception. Some evidence of this is in the Bible and even more evidence of this fact is how God orchestrated the placement of stars and planets at the conception of Christ. (Dont freak... check out to http://www.bethlehemstar.net/ and order the video. Its really amazing what God did with the stars and planets at the conception of Jesus, His actual birth and His crucifiction... trust me, you'll love it). I figure that if God can order heavenly bodies to show the world of Christ's conception, then unborn "life" starts at conception, period. Take that pro-abortion folks. Anyway, since and unborn child has yet to pass the age of acountability, he/she will be in heaven at the time of Rapture.

On to the question... If we're raptured before the birth of the child, does scripture indicate the state of the baby in Heaven? Meaning is he/she fully grown with a God given understanding of his/her new reality? Does the baby need any kind of "raising" by parents? Will I know my unborn child in Heaven as a baby? a young adult? something else?

I ask because I kinda think we may not be here for another 9 months based upon all I've read here at RR and all that I've studied.

Thoughts?

[lostsheep]

Greetings all,

A quick story then a question for the wise....

I'm sitting in my office reading RR and studying the Word and my Wife asks me to come into the other room. She gives me a little box and says happy late birthday. I open it and it contians a couple of little bows... one pink and one blue. She looks up at me and smiles. I ask... "Are you?....." She nods. My heart both leaps and sinks at the same time as I am a little freaked out this being our 4th.

I firmly believe that life starts at conception. Some evidence of this is in the Bible and even more evidence of this fact is how God orchestrated the placement of stars and planets at the conception of Christ. (Dont freak... check out to http://www.bethlehemstar.net/ and order the video. Its really amazing what God did with the stars and planets at the conception of Jesus, His actual birth and His crucifiction... trust me, you'll love it). I figure that if God can order heavenly bodies to show the world of Christ's conception, then unborn "life" starts at conception, period. Take that pro-abortion folks. Anyway, since and unborn child has yet to pass the age of acountability, he/she will be in heaven at the time of Rapture.

On to the question... If we're raptured before the birth of the child, does scripture indicate the state of the baby in Heaven? Meaning is he/she fully grown with a God given understanding of his/her new reality? Does the baby need any kind of "raising" by parents? Will I know my unborn child in Heaven as a baby? a young adult? something else?

I ask because I kinda think we may not be here for another 9 months based upon all I've read here at RR and all that I've studied.

Thoughts?

Greetings Spud
Praise God for your fourth child!! I am having my fourth too! Due in November.
I think my heart leaped and sank too when my wife told me.
I have wondered the same things about our little ones. We had a miscarrage (spelling) between our first and second sons, and I wonder about that little life. I don't have any scripture for you but I sure would like to think that they have the opportunity to grow up in heaven.
I like to think that my Dad is up there raising him now.
God bless your family and this new little life!!

Paul