Kieffers4Christ
May 2nd, 2007, 11:15 AM
Hi Everyone- first off- let me just tell you that I am an EX Mormon who has been Saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. I am just a Bible believing, church attending ( http://www.joshuasprings.org ) Jesus loving Christian.
Today, I was on myspace and a friend of mine posted a link to chat with a mormon missionary. So I clicked it and chatted with a gal named Carma.
Here's how it went down.
Carma:
Hello. How may I help you?
Jennifer:
hi carma!
Jennifer:
are you an Elder?
Carma:
Hi there!
Carma:
I am a teacher. Are you a member?
Jennifer:
no, im not
Jennifer:
I was just curious about the whole speak with a missionary thingie
Jennifer:
thought it was a great feature
Carma:
Oh--often the term elder is unfamiliar to people, so I just wondered.
Carma:
Yes--I think so too. Was there anything in particular that you would like to talk about?
Jennifer:
yeah, I wanted to find out something about the planet kolab. My sister was telling me something about it when I started talking to the missionaries and kolab really got to me
Carma:
That's great that you've spoken with missionaries before. This site is really for addressing questions regarding our basic beliefs concerning the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ through modern prophets, and how you can find out for yourself...
Carma:
that these things are true.
Jennifer:
is kolab something you believe in?
Carma:
That is outside of the scope of our purpose here. The more important question to ask (after coming to know that Jesus is the Savior) is whether or not Joseph Smith really was a prophet...that is foundational to anything else that you might learn about us.
Carma:
and our beliefs
Carma:
.
Carma:
Have you learned much about Joseph Smith?
Jennifer:
I just need to know about Kolab
Jennifer:
stumbled me
Jennifer:
I can handle the whole scope, but is Kolab a planet?
Carma:
I maight say this to address your question--this is a statement from our Articles of Faith, which are 13 short statements about what we believe...
Jennifer:
carma, are you there
Jennifer:
Carma?
Jennifer:
maybe I should try back later
Jennifer:
Hi Carma, you there?
Jennifer:
I reconnected
Jennifer:
:)
Carma:
Hello, Jennifer! How may I help you?
Jennifer:
Thought maybe I lost you
Carma:
Welcome back.
Jennifer:
we were talking about the planet kolab
Jennifer:
did we get disconnected?
Carma:
Yes, I think we did get disconnected.
Jennifer:
ohh ok
Jennifer:
yeah, I had asked you about what you believed about the planet kolab. Because when I talked to the missionaries- my sister freaked out on me regarding the planet. I've heard it wasnt true
Jennifer:
so just curious as to what lds really believe
Carma:
I think so--I'm not sure what happened. Computers these days, I tell you!
Carma:
I don't know if you got the very last thing that I sent...
Jennifer:
the last thing I got was about Joesph Smith, but I already know about him
Carma:
Really? That's great! I had sent a statement that he had made, something that has come to be known as our Articles of Faith...
Jennifer:
yeah thats the last thing i got
Jennifer:
but Im more curious about this mysterious planet in our universe that my sister says is there but I have never heard of it
Carma:
Great. I understand. Curiosity can be a powerful thing.
Jennifer:
so does it exist?
Carma:
Anything that the missionaries would have told you about would have come to light because of the prophet Joseph Smith. And whether that prophet said it existed or not still would be of no importance until you know that he really is a prophet.
Carma:
I know that you want to know about this, but it's just not going to mean anything until you search that more foundational question out first.
Jennifer:
Carma
Jennifer:
do you believe in the planet kolab?
Jennifer:
yes or no
Carma:
This can be done by reading the Book of Mormon and praying to God to know that it is true.
Carma:
Have you ever read it before? (Did I alreay ask you that? Now I'm fogetting...)
Jennifer:
do you believe in the planet kolab, yes or no?
Carma:
Those things really are outside the scope of the purpose here. I am happy to speak with you about the core parts of our doctrine...
Jennifer:
but what if i want to convert to the church and people ask me these questions- how can i answer them if you cant even give me an answer being a member of the church?
Jennifer:
you surley dont want to lose my salvation right now, do you?
Carma:
Are you considering converting? That would be wonderful!
Jennifer:
im not going to convert for the sake of converting. Especially if I cant get straight answers from members of the church!!!!!
Jennifer:
Carma, maybe you havent heard of the planet?
Jennifer:
its okay if you dont know
Jennifer:
your dancing around my question and I sincerely am seeking out answers
Carma:
There are some things which are essential to know about and do for your salvation--like Faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by one holding the proper authority, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and enduring faithfully to the end...
Carma:
things outside of that are not going to lose you your salvation.
Carma:
It has been my experience that people who are willing to read and pray about the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith...
Carma:
also learn the things that you are looking for, but if they aren't willing, they won't believe anything else that we teach either.
Jennifer:
so you do believe in the planet kolab?
Jennifer:
its just a yes or a no thats all
Carma:
It's like trying to build a roof when the foundation and walls aren't in place. That question is not one that will be answered here.
Jennifer:
Wow
Jennifer:
if you were to ask me about Abraham I would have an answer
Jennifer:
listen Carma
Jennifer:
I was a member for 10 years- you should really be able to give a defense for your beliefs
----------------------------------------
The best way to talk to a mormon is to ask them about their beliefs. Asking her about kolab then makes her study what she believes.
It's what helped bring us out of the church.
This convo with Carma was confusing to say the least.
:scratch
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The link to talk to a member of the church is here:
http://beta.mormon.org/mormonorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=6bbcef07640f0110VgnVCM1000003a 94610aRCRD&locale=0
Also if you want to find out more about the Mormon church and it's real beliefs please do a search for Journal of Discourses. You will find such quotes as this:
Famous Mormon quotes:
1. “God was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens.” (Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Aug. 1, 1844)
2. As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.” (Lorenzo Snow, Millenial Star, Vol. 54)
3. “In the beginning the head of the GOD'S called a council of the GOD'S and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and the people in it.” (Joseph Smith, The Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6)
4. “In the heaven where our spirits were born, there are many GOD'S, each of who has his own wife or wives which were given to him previous to his redemption while yet in his mortal state.” (Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Vol. 1, Pg 37)
5. “If we should take a million worlds like this and number their particles we should find there are more GOD'S than there are particles of matter in those worlds.” (Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, Pg. 345)
6. “The Father has a body of flesh and bone as tangible as man's...” (Doctrine and Covenants, Sec. 130:22)
7. Our God and Father in heaven, is a being of tabernacle, or, in other words, he has a body, with parts the same as you and I have.” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1:50)
8. “When our father Adam came into the Garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body and brought Eve, one of his celestial wives, with him... He is our father and our GOD and the ONLY GOD with whom we have to do.” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, Pg. 50)
:pray
Today, I was on myspace and a friend of mine posted a link to chat with a mormon missionary. So I clicked it and chatted with a gal named Carma.
Here's how it went down.
Carma:
Hello. How may I help you?
Jennifer:
hi carma!
Jennifer:
are you an Elder?
Carma:
Hi there!
Carma:
I am a teacher. Are you a member?
Jennifer:
no, im not
Jennifer:
I was just curious about the whole speak with a missionary thingie
Jennifer:
thought it was a great feature
Carma:
Oh--often the term elder is unfamiliar to people, so I just wondered.
Carma:
Yes--I think so too. Was there anything in particular that you would like to talk about?
Jennifer:
yeah, I wanted to find out something about the planet kolab. My sister was telling me something about it when I started talking to the missionaries and kolab really got to me
Carma:
That's great that you've spoken with missionaries before. This site is really for addressing questions regarding our basic beliefs concerning the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ through modern prophets, and how you can find out for yourself...
Carma:
that these things are true.
Jennifer:
is kolab something you believe in?
Carma:
That is outside of the scope of our purpose here. The more important question to ask (after coming to know that Jesus is the Savior) is whether or not Joseph Smith really was a prophet...that is foundational to anything else that you might learn about us.
Carma:
and our beliefs
Carma:
.
Carma:
Have you learned much about Joseph Smith?
Jennifer:
I just need to know about Kolab
Jennifer:
stumbled me
Jennifer:
I can handle the whole scope, but is Kolab a planet?
Carma:
I maight say this to address your question--this is a statement from our Articles of Faith, which are 13 short statements about what we believe...
Jennifer:
carma, are you there
Jennifer:
Carma?
Jennifer:
maybe I should try back later
Jennifer:
Hi Carma, you there?
Jennifer:
I reconnected
Jennifer:
:)
Carma:
Hello, Jennifer! How may I help you?
Jennifer:
Thought maybe I lost you
Carma:
Welcome back.
Jennifer:
we were talking about the planet kolab
Jennifer:
did we get disconnected?
Carma:
Yes, I think we did get disconnected.
Jennifer:
ohh ok
Jennifer:
yeah, I had asked you about what you believed about the planet kolab. Because when I talked to the missionaries- my sister freaked out on me regarding the planet. I've heard it wasnt true
Jennifer:
so just curious as to what lds really believe
Carma:
I think so--I'm not sure what happened. Computers these days, I tell you!
Carma:
I don't know if you got the very last thing that I sent...
Jennifer:
the last thing I got was about Joesph Smith, but I already know about him
Carma:
Really? That's great! I had sent a statement that he had made, something that has come to be known as our Articles of Faith...
Jennifer:
yeah thats the last thing i got
Jennifer:
but Im more curious about this mysterious planet in our universe that my sister says is there but I have never heard of it
Carma:
Great. I understand. Curiosity can be a powerful thing.
Jennifer:
so does it exist?
Carma:
Anything that the missionaries would have told you about would have come to light because of the prophet Joseph Smith. And whether that prophet said it existed or not still would be of no importance until you know that he really is a prophet.
Carma:
I know that you want to know about this, but it's just not going to mean anything until you search that more foundational question out first.
Jennifer:
Carma
Jennifer:
do you believe in the planet kolab?
Jennifer:
yes or no
Carma:
This can be done by reading the Book of Mormon and praying to God to know that it is true.
Carma:
Have you ever read it before? (Did I alreay ask you that? Now I'm fogetting...)
Jennifer:
do you believe in the planet kolab, yes or no?
Carma:
Those things really are outside the scope of the purpose here. I am happy to speak with you about the core parts of our doctrine...
Jennifer:
but what if i want to convert to the church and people ask me these questions- how can i answer them if you cant even give me an answer being a member of the church?
Jennifer:
you surley dont want to lose my salvation right now, do you?
Carma:
Are you considering converting? That would be wonderful!
Jennifer:
im not going to convert for the sake of converting. Especially if I cant get straight answers from members of the church!!!!!
Jennifer:
Carma, maybe you havent heard of the planet?
Jennifer:
its okay if you dont know
Jennifer:
your dancing around my question and I sincerely am seeking out answers
Carma:
There are some things which are essential to know about and do for your salvation--like Faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by one holding the proper authority, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and enduring faithfully to the end...
Carma:
things outside of that are not going to lose you your salvation.
Carma:
It has been my experience that people who are willing to read and pray about the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith...
Carma:
also learn the things that you are looking for, but if they aren't willing, they won't believe anything else that we teach either.
Jennifer:
so you do believe in the planet kolab?
Jennifer:
its just a yes or a no thats all
Carma:
It's like trying to build a roof when the foundation and walls aren't in place. That question is not one that will be answered here.
Jennifer:
Wow
Jennifer:
if you were to ask me about Abraham I would have an answer
Jennifer:
listen Carma
Jennifer:
I was a member for 10 years- you should really be able to give a defense for your beliefs
----------------------------------------
The best way to talk to a mormon is to ask them about their beliefs. Asking her about kolab then makes her study what she believes.
It's what helped bring us out of the church.
This convo with Carma was confusing to say the least.
:scratch
----------------------------------------
The link to talk to a member of the church is here:
http://beta.mormon.org/mormonorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=6bbcef07640f0110VgnVCM1000003a 94610aRCRD&locale=0
Also if you want to find out more about the Mormon church and it's real beliefs please do a search for Journal of Discourses. You will find such quotes as this:
Famous Mormon quotes:
1. “God was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens.” (Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Aug. 1, 1844)
2. As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.” (Lorenzo Snow, Millenial Star, Vol. 54)
3. “In the beginning the head of the GOD'S called a council of the GOD'S and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and the people in it.” (Joseph Smith, The Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6)
4. “In the heaven where our spirits were born, there are many GOD'S, each of who has his own wife or wives which were given to him previous to his redemption while yet in his mortal state.” (Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Vol. 1, Pg 37)
5. “If we should take a million worlds like this and number their particles we should find there are more GOD'S than there are particles of matter in those worlds.” (Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, Pg. 345)
6. “The Father has a body of flesh and bone as tangible as man's...” (Doctrine and Covenants, Sec. 130:22)
7. Our God and Father in heaven, is a being of tabernacle, or, in other words, he has a body, with parts the same as you and I have.” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1:50)
8. “When our father Adam came into the Garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body and brought Eve, one of his celestial wives, with him... He is our father and our GOD and the ONLY GOD with whom we have to do.” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, Pg. 50)
:pray