Messing with a Good Thing - Children’s Health Insurance

[OnceWasLost]

Without having to put too much thought into it. George W Bush :lol2. He only created the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States when he made the Department of Homeland Security.

And he is a neocon? :idunno. In some ways he is conservative, in other ways he is not. But, neocon, I wouldn't hang that tag on him.

[Bernardd]

Without having to put too much thought into it. George W Bush . He only created the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States when he made the Department of Homeland Security.

I suppose Truman was a Neocon for creating that even larger bureaucracy, the Department of Defense.

[The Learner]

I suppose Truman was a Neocon for creating that even larger bureaucracy, the Department of Defense.

apples and oranges

[Bernardd]

apples and oranges

Just using your argument.

[OnceWasLost]

Truth is that term gets thrown out to describe any republican that a person wants to marginalize. Given that the term neocon, as it is used nowadays is whatever a person wants it to be.

[Bernardd]

Location: Peoples Republic of California

AH!

[The Learner]

Just using your argument.


Well what do you think about illegal immigration. It has been demonstrated by the conservative base that it does not want unfettered illegal immigration, nor does it want amnesty for illegal immigrants. Yet Bush has pushed for amnesty, and has done nothing to stop illegal immigration.

I suppose you could make the case that the big business interest in the Republican party likes illegal immigration, but that certainly does not make it a conservative issue.

[Bernardd]

Well what do you think about illegal immigration. It has been demonstrated by the conservative base that it does not want unfettered illegal immigration, nor does it want amnesty for illegal immigrants. Yet Bush has pushed for amnesty, and has done nothing to stop illegal immigration.

I suppose you could make the case that the big business interest in the Republican party likes illegal immigration, but that certainly does not make it a conservative issue.

I agree; Bush has done little (if anything) to fix this problem...and for that, I would not vote for him (if he was in fact running for a 3rd term, which he obviously isn't).

But Hillary isn't doing anything about it nor are any of the current leading Democrats? So am I now to believe that Hillary and Obama are NEOCONS because they're not addressing this issue?

He only created the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States when he made the Department of Homeland Security.
By the way, how did you come to the conclusion that the Dept of Homeland Security is the largest bureaucracy in the history of the U.S.?

[The Learner]

I agree; Bush has done little (if anything) to fix this problem...and for that, I would not vote for him (if he was in fact running for a 3rd term, which he obviously isn't).

But Hillary isn't doing anything about it nor are any of the current leading Democrats? So am I now to believe that Hillary and Obama are NEOCONS because they're not addressing this issue?

No Hillary is not a neocon, a neocon is a fake conservative. Hillary is a socialist pretending to be a democrat :lol2

I do not expect Hillary or any democrat to fix illegal immigration or to reduce government spending, or to reduce the size of government, or to cut taxes. I do not expect that from them, because that is not their platform.

However, when I vote in Republican Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents I do expect them to reduce the deficit, to reduce the size of government, and to put a giant fence up at the border, and imprison those who employ illegal aliens. However, instead of doing that the fake conservatives, neocons, do exactly what democrats would do if they had been elected. This is why the Republican party is in so much trouble, because they have abandoned conservative principles.

[Bernardd]

...a neocon is a fake conservative.

Ahh! Now I got it. Anytime this term comes up, it seems to mean something different. Now we can actually discuss this issue. (Of course, there's probably nothing left to discuss since we both agree emphatically!!)

However, I find it odd that Hillary et al would call Bush a NeoCon. They clearly have a different definition than you do.

Will someone tell me when Bush plans to pardon those Borer Patrol Agents?