Messing with a Good Thing - Children’s Health Insurance

[Beeferoni]

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I am as adamant about all the things congress does with out Constitutional authority. They have no authority for . . . the most dangerous and detrimental to the U.S A. the Federal Reserve
Art. I, Sec. 8, cl. 5:
The Congress shall have Power To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures.

When it set up the Federal Reserve, Congress was acting within its authority to "coin money" and "regulate the value thereof." That's what the Federal Reserve does, under the authority of the Congress.

[Issachar]

I am as adamant about all the things congress does with out Constitutional authority. They have no authority for social security, education, healthcare, minimum wage, national parks, oil drilling, welfare, EPA, IRS and the most dangerous and detrimental to the U.S A. the Federal Reserve among others.

I agree with you about health insurance in general, it is the main cause for escalating costs. I remember back in the 60's and 70's, most people did not have insurance and it was relatively cheap to receive health care. :)

You made a good start of a list there. Imho, this will not be reversed and in fact, will only grow worse. Of course I'd like to see it all changed to be in line with the Constitution, but I won't hold my breath. Rather, for me, it is just an indicator of where we are at as far as a nwo is concerned. It just gives me more drive to share the gospel even more.

Issachar

[can4christ]

No Hillary is not a neocon, a neocon is a fake conservative. Hillary is a socialist pretending to be a democrat :lol2

I do not expect Hillary or any democrat to fix illegal immigration or to reduce government spending, or to reduce the size of government, or to cut taxes. I do not expect that from them, because that is not their platform.

However, when I vote in Republican Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents I do expect them to reduce the deficit, to reduce the size of government, and to put a giant fence up at the border, and imprison those who employ illegal aliens. However, instead of doing that the fake conservatives, neocons, do exactly what democrats would do if they had been elected. This is why the Republican party is in so much trouble, because they have abandoned conservative principles........................................ .....................

A neocons is not a fake conservative, they are politicians that have come over from the Democrat party and are more likely to be liberal or moderate Republicans. Not all Republicans are conservative unfortunately. That is why us conservatives must use their voting records instead of what they say while campaigning.

[can4christ]

Art. I, Sec. 8, cl. 5:


When it set up the Federal Reserve, Congress was acting within its authority to "coin money" and "regulate the value thereof." That's what the Federal Reserve does, under the authority of the Congress........................




The Federal Reserve is not a part of the government. They are privately owned banks that only consult with congress. The point of Art 1, Sec 8, cl. 5 was to insure the people would have the ability to hold congress accountable.

The Fed charges the government (the people) interest on fiat notes that literally aren't worth the paper they are printed on. The government should be coining and printing our money, there would be no interest on debt (it would be like charging yourself interest}. Kennedy understood this and was in the process of doing just that, he was assassinated 3 weeks later.

[Beeferoni]

The Federal Reserve is not a part of the government. They are privately owned banks that only consult with congress. The point of Art 1, Sec 8, cl. 5 was to insure the people would have the ability to hold congress accountable.
Please don't believe the :tinfoil crowd on this, especially when you can look this stuff up.

Congress created the Federal Reserve, and delegated the power to coin money and regulate its value to the Federal Reserve. The Fed is a part of the government. Congress can, and has, amended the powers of the Federal Reserve, and at any point could eliminate the Fed.

You can see the federal statutes which establish the Fed and set parameters for its activities here: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/12/chapters/3/toc.html

They are in Title 12 of the United States Code.

[Bernardd]

Originally Posted by can4christ
The Federal Reserve is not a part of the government. They are privately owned banks that only consult with congress. The point of Art 1, Sec 8, cl. 5 was to insure the people would have the ability to hold congress accountable.

Are we then suggesting that Congress itself (both members of the House and Senate) should actually become bankers? When the Constititution specifies that Congress should coin money, should we expect Senators and Congressmen to fire up the printing presses and create our fiat currency?Exactly how is Congress supposed to carry out this authority?

[can4christ]

[QUOTE=Bernardd;213688]Perhaps you can identify what exactly is meant by "promoting the general welfare.".................................................. ........

Thomas Jefferson on the General Welfare Clause

[O]ur tenet ever was, and, indeed, it is almost the only landmark which now divides the federalists from the republicans, that Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money.


James Madison on the General Welfare Clause

Money cannot be applied to the General Welfare, otherwise than by an application of it to some particular measure conducive to the General Welfare. Whenever, therefore, money has been raised by the General Authority, and is to be applied to a particular measure, a question arises whether the particular measure be within the enumerated authorities vested in Congress. If it be, the money requisite for it may be applied to it; if it be not, no such application can be made. - James Madison

James Madison, the father of our Constitution, irate over a $15,000 congressional appropriation to assist some French refugees, said, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

[can4christ]

Are we then suggesting that Congress itself (both members of the House and Senate) should actually become bankers? When the Constititution specifies that Congress should coin money, should we expect Senators and Congressmen to fire up the printing presses and create our fiat currency?Exactly how is Congress supposed to carry out this authority?........................................ ......................................

The same way they always have, Bureau of Engraving & Printing. The Federal Reserve doesn't actually print it themselves, oh, no, the taxpayers still pay for that privilege. Pretty good deal, the Federal Reserve doesn't even print the notes but we pay them the interest.........

That's a good idea! Congress would be much more useful and less intrusive if we kept them busy working the printing press.

[Beeferoni]

Again, Congress established the Federal Reserve in order to do Congress' job of coining money and regulating the value thereof. There is nothing unconstitutional about the Federal Reserve.

[Issachar]

Are we then suggesting that Congress itself (both members of the House and Senate) should actually become bankers? When the Constititution specifies that Congress should coin money, should we expect Senators and Congressmen to fire up the printing presses and create our fiat currency?Exactly how is Congress supposed to carry out this authority? The fed didn't come about until after the signing of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. How did we have money prior to that? Of course the congressmen didn't run the coin manufacturing. They contracted just what they still have today, the US Mints.

People can say whatever they want about the fed being government, but it's merely private bankers; a cartel of large banks and "we the people"; the entire federal gov't, is totally in debt to these private individuals. They are not under any real gov't oversight.

I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit.

We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” - Woodrow Wilson, 1919 (Referring to the Federal Reserve and the transition to a debt-based economy) President Wilson was of a sound mind when he said this.

Issachar