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OnceWasLost
October 2nd, 2007, 12:05 PM
Entitlements will be the financial death of us.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21047607/site/newsweek/

SCHIP was created in 1997 by a Republican-controlled Congress. Today's Democratic-controlled Congress wants to transform its mission. It began as a program whereby the federal government would subsidize state governments in providing health insurance for children from households not poor enough (generally 200 percent above the poverty line) to qualify for Medicaid but not affluent enough to afford to buy insurance. Were it to become law, the new SCHIP would be a long stride toward unlimited federal funds working as incentives for states to expand eligibility to more and more affluent families.

It would immediately include some with incomes 400 percent of the poverty line ($83,000 for a family of four). Over time, its "mission creep" would continue. Mike Leavitt, secretary of Health and Human Services, says that the new SCHIP would enroll 2.8 million more children, but 1.1 million of them would be from families for whom SCHIP had become an incentive to drop their private insurance. To that, some liberals say, sotto voce: Good.

When feel good policies are proposed, especially by those who favor government solutions, look into the details. This is an eye opener of what we face. We keep adding to the problem, I can't believe how foolish we have become. :doh

HisAlways
October 2nd, 2007, 12:20 PM
Entitlements will be the financial death of us.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21047607/site/newsweek/



When feel good policies are proposed, especially by those who favor government solutions, look into the details. This is an eye opener of what we face. We keep adding to the problem, I can't believe how foolish we have become. :doh
You're exactly right. This is nothing short of more of government control. When you start messing with the healthcare system, that is getting very dangerous. I certainly agree that something must be done with it....as it is out of control, especially drug costs.

But, government intrusion to this extent is not the answer.

antsinmypants
October 2nd, 2007, 09:10 PM
Frog, meet pot....

:sigh:

OnceWasLost
October 2nd, 2007, 10:00 PM
Frog, meet pot....

:sigh:

Don't worry Mr. Frog it's not that warm.

Debbie M.
October 4th, 2007, 12:51 PM
Evenually, as i see it, everything will be under the governments control. If they can take God out of the equation, and our "rights" do not come from Him, but rather, from the "government", then it is the "government" that can take them away. The Beast (world system) will have everything and every move under his control..I believe God warned us about this. We must stay true to the Lord and know, without a doubt, Who is really in control and Who we belong to....and it aint this fallen world.

OnceWasLost
October 4th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Evenually, as i see it, everything will be under the governments control. If they can take God out of the equation, and our "rights" do not come from Him, but rather, from the "government", then it is the "government" that can take them away. The Beast (world system) will have everything and every move under his control..I believe God warned us about this. We must stay true to the Lord and know, without a doubt, Who is really in control and Who we belong to....and it aint this fallen world.

Well said :thumb

SummerSailing81
October 4th, 2007, 06:32 PM
And to think that my dd had to qualify for Medicaid the hard way - becoming more disabled than she already was. I never understood how Medicaid worked because our dd was born severely disabled, but dh made $100 too much a month to qualify for Medicaid. Yet, we knew a couple who made way in excess of $300,000 a year, husband a lawyer, mom stayed home, had full-time housekeeper, full-time nurse, both parents drover Mercedes, and they lived in Great Falls, VA which I can't even afford to drive through muchless live there. At the time my dh was making less than $37,000/yr. The other couple's son qualified because he had a trach and dd didn't at that time. Once she had to be trached, she qualified. Makes no sense whatsoever! Don't get me wrong, I believe all kids should have access to good healthcare. However, now that these extra millions of kids are going to have access to Medicaid I'm wondering how long Medicaid is going to last? My dd has lots of special and expensive equipment and supplies that she requires to LIVE and we just can't afford to pay for it even with our insurance. It makes me livid that people will be dropping their own insurance, thereby saving that money to spend on themselves, and Medicaid will be picking up the tab and that's less money for the disabled kids who really need it!!

Logicon
October 5th, 2007, 01:42 PM
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

I think we are close to a collapse now.

http://www.trinity.edu/rjensen/entitlements.htm

I'm a firm believer that economics is a dismal science, especially when world population growth is factored into the equation. Economics is becoming more dismal as far as the EU and U.S. are concerned. But it is becoming an Ode to Joy for China, Brazil, India, and (believe it or not) Russia.

On the dark side of things, Europe reached a barrier in economic development. The U.S. is approaching that barrier. The barrier is called "Concrete System of Entitlements." Twenty five years ago in his excellent PBS series called "Free to Choose," Nobel economist Milton Friedman call unfunded entitlements the most dangerous mistake economies can make for entitlements that are a drag rather than a boost to economic development. At the time he viewed entitlements as a crossroad, but we took the wrong path by adding more entitlements. Now only a barrier lies ahead.

I remember the cold war in the 1950s and 1960s where the biggest fear in the Western world was that Mao and/or the Soviet Union was going to paint the planet red in military takeover. Their militaries and economies failed their leaders. It is ironic that, in my viewpoint, their new economies are now going to "take over" the world with emerging capitalism. We have no weapons against capitalism except for suicide pills called tariffs.
This begs the question of how did the United States create such a problem for itself.

The biggest problem has been an irresponsible House of Representatives and the legislatures of all fifty states who cannot and will not be fiscally responsible for the long run survival of the U.S. economy. The next biggest problem is the President of the United States and the 50 governors who have laid down their veto pens that might, in some instances, significantly cut the pork. Another problem is failure of political campaign reform and related softness toward white collar, including government leadership, crime --- http://www.trinity.edu/rjensen/FraudConclusion.htm#CrimePays