Are there 2 gospels?

[BlessedinHim]

yes, he has posted a lot about it, if you look, I have posted as much against it. He didnt answer my last question and it has kinda gotten into a 2 subject thread. So, I started this thread. I agree with buzzardhut, as well.

Buzzardhut: Some protestants when discrediting Peter to Catholics to show he was not the first Pope use the 2 gospel theory, maybe that is why they are claiming Peter preached a different Gospel.
It does show that Peter had to be corrected for his actions, but not for what he preached.
I don't believe the first pope was until 300+ A.D. so I don't believe the first pope could be Peter anyway.


they take the scripture about on this rock I will build my church, thinking Jesus was talking about Peter, but actually Jesus was talking about what Peter said. What Peter said to the question Jesus asked is the Rock.

[Mentat]

They take the scripture about on this rock I will build my church, thinking Jesus was talking about Peter, but actually Jesus was talking about what Peter said. What Peter said to the question Jesus asked is the Rock.

Amen :thumb

[LaMontre]

Bullingerism (http://www.brethrenonline.org/books/ultrad.htm#ch1)

So this is where they get it!!!

Yes he is the father of this mess. But many believe he is just taking plain ol' dispensational doctrine to it's logical conclusion..

[BlessedinHim]

Thank you LaMontre.

[Lexie]

Les Feldick does not preach two gospels, he explains, the difference in why John the Baptist and Jesus proclaimed the Kingdom to the Jew's. There is a difference between the Jewish and Gentile audiences, which is important. Jesus did offer the Jew's the Kingdom, the Jew's declined for a reason, which was to bring the Gentiles into the promise of salvation, like the OT Prophets foretold. Covenant and progressive theology have thier own set of problems, not just the hyper dipsy's. :)

http://www.lesfeldick.org/

[Hootmon]

Not two Gospels so much as two 'flavors' of the same Gospel.

[LaMontre]

Les Feldick does not preach two gospels, he explains, the difference in why John the Baptist and Jesus proclaimed the Kingdom to the Jew's. There is a difference between the Jewish and Gentile audiences, which is important. Jesus did offer the Jew's the Kingdom, the Jew's decined for a reason, which in bringing in the Gentiles into the promise of salvation, like the OT Prophets foretold. Covenant and progressive theology have thier own set of problems, not just the hyper dipsy's. :)

http://www.lesfeldick.org/

Covenant theology simply wont stand up in several areas. (Kinda like a tent with several poles missing IMO).

But I agree, every systematic theology carries with it inherent problems. It just seems that dispensationalism is the only one that has had it's problems utilized in such a way as to create these odd extreme hybrids.

It needs to be addressed, but it seems that there are not many from the more moderate dispensational camps that are willing to condemn it.

Where are you on the extreme/conservative dispensational spectrum?

[Lexie]

Covenant theology simply wont stand up in several areas. (Kinda like a tent with several poles missing IMO).

But I agree, every systematic theology carries with it inherent problems. It just seems that dispensationalism is the only one that has had it's problems utilized in such a way as to create these odd extreme hybrids.

It needs to be addressed, but it seems that there are not many from the more moderate dispensational camps that are willing to condemn it.

Where are you on the extreme/conservative dispensational spectrum?

LaMontre

Yes, let me know which parts are causing the problems. I believe the Church, was born on Pentecost, I guess that makes me a regular dipsy. I do not believe you have to be baptized, in water, for salvation, the baptism of the Holy Sprit is what is important, we can be baptized in water, as an outward expression, of what happened to us inside. I don't agree with everything Les teaches, but he is right up there with, the best of them imo. :)

[BlessedinHim]

I am being told that there are 2 different gospels.
One given to Peter and one given to Paul. What is that about? They both
baptized, they both were baptized, and they both preached to Jews and
Gentiles.

Answered By: Darin

Answer: Thank you for taking the time to submit your question. It is
an honor and a privilege to be able answer your question. I hope this
short response will do just that.

The short answer to your question is this: No, the Gospel is the same
preached by all the apostles and all the early Christians. There is no
difference between the writings of Paul and the writings of Peter. In
fact, notice Peter's words in his last letter:

2 Peter 3:15-16 "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just
as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom
given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of
these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to
understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as
they do the other Scriptures."

Peter here affirms Paul's Gospel. There is nothing here to suggest
that Paul and Peter would disagree, even though we know that Paul did
confront Peter about his dealings with the Gentiles (Galatians 2). Paul
was converted through the same Gospel that Peter preached, Stephen
preached, and other key early Christian members.

What is the Gospel? A quick summary is found in 1 Cor. 15:1-6. Please
look at this short outline for more details:

1. Greek - Is derived from the Greek word euaggelion, which is where we
get the word "evangel"
a. Thayer - "The proclamation of the grace of God manifest and pledged
in Christ
b. Mark 1:1 - The opening line uses the word for Gospel, and therefore
shows that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and the Son of God
i. Jewish Messiah
1. Genesis 12:3 - Fulfills the promises of Abraham.
2. Genesis 49:10 - The Messiah would come from the line of Judah, and
Jesus did.
3. From the lineage of David (2 Sam. 7:14; Jeremiah 23:5)
ii. Son of God
1. Psalm 110:1 - Most often used verse by the New Testament writers to
communicate the Sonship of Jesus
2. Matthew 22:42-45 - Jesus quoted Psalm 110 to refute the Pharisees
about the authority by which he did his work.
3. Acts 2:34-36 - Peter preached on Pentecost that Jesus is both "Lord
and Christ."

2. Resurrection - The resurrection is mentioned 19 times in the book of
Acts (1:22, 2:24, 31-32, 3:26, 4:2, 10, 33, 5:30, 10:40, 13:22, 30-37,
17:18, 32, 23:6, 26:23).
a. Acts 2:32-38 - The fact of the bodily resurrection was the reason
that Paul told the hearers to repent.
b. 1 Cor. 15:1-4 - The Gospel includes the death, burial, AND
resurrection of Jesus Christ.
c. 1 Cor. 15:14, 17 - Our faith is worthless / in vain, our preaching
is futile, and we are still in our sins if the resurrection is not true.
d. Romans 10:9 - Jesus as Lord and His resurrection are both parts of
the Gospel message.
e. Acts 17:32 - People sneered at Paul's resurrection of the Gospel,
but it did not invalidate message, for the cross and its message
foolishness to those who are perishing (1 Cor. 1:18).

3. Christ's Substitutionary Death - Jesus had no sin (1 Peter 2:22; 1
John 3:5; 2 Cor. 5:21; Hebrews 4:15, etc.) and thus could be a perfect
sacrifice to satisfy God the Father.
a. 1 Peter 3:18 - Jesus died for our sins even we didn't deserve
ANYTHING!
b. The penalty of sin is physical and spiritual death (Romans 6:23) and
separation away from God forever (2 Thess. 1:9; Acts 17:30-31).
c. Justification - We are made righteous in the sight of God by our
faith, not our works (Romans 5:1-9; Eph. 2:8-9).
d. The wrath and the love of God must be simultaneous in the Gospel
message-God is equally both (John 3:16-20, 36; Romans 1:18-20).

from: gotquestions.org

[medbiller777]

Within the past few days I received what is essentially the same question from four different people, each unknown to the other as far as I can tell. I had received variations on this question a couple of times in the past, but to read four eMails that were so similar in nature almost one after the other aroused my interest. I decided that maybe the Lord was trying to give me the theme for my feature study this week.

http://www.gracethrufaith.com/selah/tough-questions-answered/a-different-gospel

Hmmm....All generated by this thread no doubt!!:heh