Scandal brewing at Oral Roberts U.

[The Learner]

What I think Magnum is saying is that in America's churches very few of the pastors fit this criteria set forth in Timothy.

Did you know that divorced men can be admitted into many seminaries? I personally know a divorced man who is a student at a Southern Baptist Seminary. Clearly this is an indication of what is going on in a larger sense. If seminaries have to admit divorced men then what does it say about their standards? Keep in mind this is only divorced men, not just men who have had premarital sex. This is the point that Magnum was making.

Also we have to be really careful with Paul's writings. Many of us overlook the historical context, and as a result get some screwy results. For instance do any of the women here at RR cover their heads with a headdress and stay silent in church? This too is also in the Bible, but many will just say"Oh it is just saying that women should have long hair", but in reality that is not what it is saying at all. The scripture is actually talking about women wearing a hat of sorts in church.

[magnum_the_logical]

I wanted to add, Magnum, that GOD, NOT man, has set the standards for our leaders/pastors of the church. If it was unrealistic or impossible, GOD would have never set these standards in the first place.


Umm, I owe no apology. I did not say anything wrong. If they have been monogamous then super. They are in the 1%.

Now, let us take some other scriptures that have been “Ditched” by the church. All in the name of “Interpretation” and “Well, people just do not understand the word” among other excuses for picking and choosing which scripture is literal or for today etc.. P.S. I think it would be great if all Pastors fit the rule of only one wife and one lover for life. I am only pointing out that most do not and it is delusional to think that even half of them do.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (King James Version)
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

Hmmm, seems pretty straight forward to me. I guess that is one scripture that can be tossed out right? Of course I am now a sexist to state that this scripture is as valid as the “only one wife” scripture yte has been thrown out or "Interpertaed for today".

1 Cor 11:
3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

What has happened? I mean, no one covers or uncovers their head anymore. But of course that is of course 100% not for today, or is it? Hmm, how can these not be for today yet the 1 wife scripture be for today?

I am not saying that these scriptures are not for today. I am simply stating that these scriptures have one common thread. To require parishioners to abide by these scriptures is ridiculous. But hey, I tell you what, When the women start "Being silent" in church and men and women start covering and uncovering there head when the pray, worship etc., I will then state that most preachers now qualify for the "1 wife" scripture. But be careful because Islamic sharia law requires these things and we know what type of control that holds over billions. Hmm, maybe I should have kept that obvious point to myself.

[just17]

1 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;



Is it possible this means he must be blameless, and only have one wife at the time he accepts the calling and while he performs the duties of a bishop? In other words, polygamists need not apply??

Saul wasn't given much to hospitality, until he accepted his calling and became Paul. By Moses own admission, he wasn't apt to teach. When they accepted their roles as leaders, then they began to meet these requirements above.

[magnum_the_logical]

Originally Posted by kristine
I wanted to add, Magnum, that GOD, NOT man, has set the standards for our leaders/pastors of the church. If it was unrealistic or impossible, GOD would have never set these standards in the first place.

God set the standards for female behaviour in the church as well. Did not stick did it? Nor does anyone get emotional about it.

I am not saying that the standards are wrong nor that a pastor should not meet the standards. I am saying that to beleive that even half of the pastors meet the standards is nieve and idealogical.

It ain't reality! Just like women will never be silent in church. "Nor will people cover or uncover their heads"

[TomT]

Moving entre thread to the Apostasy Forum - in as much as that seems to be the raging debate here - i.e. having left any discussion of Oral Roberts University problems in the dust many posts back