The 144,000 in Rev. 7

[prairiedog]

I believe Praire Dog meant to refer to Romans 11 - that says "all Israel will be saved"

Yes, that is the scripture I was referring to. Thank you.:hat

[HehasmagnifiedHisWord]

cool
I think the 144K will experience miraculous conversions right after the Rapture

but where is this stated in the Bible?

[iSong6:3]

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[Robbinson]

I think the current estimate of Jewish believers is more like 1% (1 out of 100) at least based upon information informally reported by Jews for Jesus and Chosen People ministries (I'm one of them - Jew who came to believe in Christ as the Messiah). Zechariah tells us that in the end times, all remaining Jews will come to call on the name of the Lord and mourn for He who they have pierced. That will follow the great tribulation - which will be a terrible time for all nonbelievers (and particularly for the Jewish people) - but believers will, I believe, be raptured before the Tribulation.

There has always been a believing/faithful remnant among the nation of Israel - this is spoken of throughout the Old Testatement. Romans 11 also fortells of the day in the future when all Israel will be saved - this corresponds with Zechariah, and I believe this is referring to all Israel that remains after the great tribulation.

Regards,

[iSong6:3]

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[LisaJo]

but where is this stated in the Bible?
Speculation of the part of believers. Deductive reasoning ensures us that if we believe, we will be raptured. Jew or Gentile, we are all the body of Christ if we have accepted him.

Personally, I try not to speculate about exactly who the 144,000 Jews are. God has a plan and He will not deviate from it. All that I do know, is that He promised Israel 490 years to evangelize. This is explained in Daniel. 483 years to the day, Our Lord was crucified. The huge Jewish stopwatch in the sky was pushed, stopped. After the death and resurrection of Our Lord, it was no longer the role of the Jew to evangelize the world, but the role of anyone who accepted The Comforter, the Holy Spirit. The church age began. God promised the Jews 490 years. They are still owed seven years. The stopwatch will click again with the signing of the treaty between the AntiChrist and Israel. God will grant the true Remnant of Israel these last seven years to evangelize the world. They will be supernaturally protected. Israel, as a political entity, will rely on the boastful, and supernaturally believable words of this man (The antichrist) over the promise of Our Lord for protection. Again, they will reject Him and He will bring them to a crossroads just like He did with Moses and the exiles of Egypt. He will put them in a position of eminent destruction, like Moses at the Red Sea. Israel will be forced AGAIN into the realization that their only salvation is OUR LORD WHO CAME AND SAVED THEM FROM CERTAIN DESTRUCTION, just like He did, when He parted the Red Sea. Many will turn to The Faith Due to this one event in upcoming history. Sorry to say, that for the Arab and Russian States, their fate has already been foretold and proclaimed and I, for one, would not want to be them.

We are told that men will be hired to clean the carnage of their destruction for seven months.

[Jany]

Let us remember that no one is saved without a personal relationship with the Saviour. <><

[prairiedog]

Let us remember that no one is saved without a personal relationship with the Saviour. <><

Okay, I assumed that was already understood. So let me restate my position.

The reason I think that Jews who accept Jesus Christ as Messiah during the Trib have a better chance of survival than gentiles who accept Him is because the gentiles are under Grace during the Church age and they put off their salvation after hearing the Gospel.
Does it not stand to reason that the believing gentiles will be martyred while believing Israel is preserved to take possession of all the Promised Land in the MK?

[LisaJo]

Okay, I assumed that was already understood. So let me restate my position.

The reason I think that Jews who accept Jesus Christ as Messiah during the Trib have a better chance of survival than gentiles who accept Him is because the gentiles are under Grace during the Church age and they put off their salvation after hearing the Gospel.
Does it not stand to reason that the believing gentiles will be martyred while believing Israel is preserved to take possession of all the Promised Land in the MK?
Definitely Possible.
:agree
But really, it says that 144,000 (12,000 from each tribe) will be preserved. Who's to say that the Tribulation doesn't begin with 200,000 instantly converted Jews. History shows that He preserves a remnant. Does anyone have more feedback on this?

[kgreen20]

And there'll be surviving Gentiles, too, when Jesus comes back. Not just surviving Jews. The Gentiles will have to help repopulate the earth, too, during the Millennium.