The 144,000 in Rev. 7

[iSong6:3]

Obadiah, always interesting. (And I owe you an article from a while back! :doh )

Who among the Jewish people does the eunuch thing now? :scratch

[drjoshua]

I figure they'll come from all around the world, not just Israel. In that way they will speak the languages of the world which will enhance what will be their very successful ministry. It is exciting to think that all or many of the 144,000 could already be alive, and unbeknownst to them, being prepared for their blessed ministry.

Don't many Jews speak multiple languages?

[In Christ]

These could be young virgin males, in whom the Lord has groomed for just such a day. The Lord has the ability to speak through us, to provide us with the words to speak. I once seen a movie that depicted the 144,000 walking through the countrysides calling people to the Lord, it was an awesome scene... I do not see a "Biblical" reason to believe these men have to be 30 years old. That may be a Jewish custom but its not something thats spelled out in the Bible (that I am aware of anyway)...

[Trance]

In 2008, there were about 5.5 million Jews in Israel. Plenty to have 144000 in the correct generation.

Ahhh yes, but they have to be Messianic Jews.

[Guy4God]

Just a couple of points y'all...

1) The Greek term for virgin and the grammatical use in this passage simply implies young, single men, not given to marriage or sexual immorality. Some people tend to focus on the "virgin" status as something deeper than it really is. They are just young men that God chooses to seal up and use during the trib.

2) The idea that they are evangelists is a speculation, as it is not actually expressed in Scripture. Many teachers have just gone off of this assumption and it has become the norm. Truth be told, we are not sure what they are going to do specifically. Now, personally, I can't see what else they would do, so the evangelist idea seems very likely.

However, they may simply be the chosen remnant of Israel that are sealed up til the end for some purpose that God only knows right now. We do know that in Revelation 14 we see them standing on Mt. Zion with the Lamb and are referred to as "redeemed from the earth". These may just be the physical Jews that enter into service for the Millinnial Kingdom, which it seems that the Bible confirms this much for us.

[iSong6:3]

Ahhh yes, but they have to be Messianic Jews.

If they are believers now, they will be Raptured. :thumb

So they will come to faith in Messiah Jesus after that point. :yeah

[savedbygracethrufaith]

Ahhh yes, but they have to be Messianic Jews.

They won't have been messianic Jews or they would have gone in the rapture. They will become believers in the Son after the rapture.

I do believe that they will be well versed in the scriptures of the old testament and will only need enlightenment to believe that Jesus has fulfilled those old testament prophecies.

I think Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum takes this position as well.

[savedbygracethrufaith]

If they are believers now, they will be Raptured. :thumb

So they will come to faith in Messiah Jesus after that point. :yeah :hat

LOL you posted while I was typing!

[MsSophie]

The generation that started the State of Israel were not zero years old at that time :) and they are not sixty now. They are quite a bit older or already passed on. You're assuming that 20 years is a generation. Israeli men of 20 are in the military and it is hard to be married then also. Most wait until after they serve.



This doesn't quite make sense. I'm 62 and just a few months older than the birth of Israel in May 1948, so, a person would not necessarily be quite a bit older or passed on when at the start of the State of Israel. Anyone born in the few months before that would not be quiete a bit older than Israel. There could be (and I'm sure there are) those born right on the day Isael became a state.

[Tall Timbers]

not given to marriage or sexual immorality

equals virgin...