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OnceWasLost
October 11th, 2011, 07:21 PM
I am not yelling at you -- but this makes me so furious! HE IS trying to do that.... and that angers' me more then anything - b/c since he has been in office from day 1 -- HE HAS DONE NOTHING FOR JOBS, we have been ignored and forgotten, even our friends have forgotten about those of us fighting to get our lives back or some semblance of them!!!! Nothing- we weren't even being mentioned until 3 wks ago, right when he 'starts his campaigning'.. I had been commenting to my own 22 year old and hubby that we had become the invisible unemployed or under employed that cannot find work.... :(

And then all of a sudden there we are mentioned in the media magically we are here again and still hurting.. Infuriating!

That is where the problem lies, in D.C. not Wall Street. The anger toward the nebulous "rich" is misguided and it's why, when asked, the protestors are so clueless as to answering why they are doing all of this. They are a mob, and only know demonstrations, with no real idea as to why. they know slogans, platitudes and chants, but have zero working knowledge of reality.

Ask the evil rich why they won't hire, they will tell you. The mob should move on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. obama and his redistribution brigade in congress is the sole blame for where we are currently. Until they are gone and some confidence returns to the markets, and we remove the suffocating weight of the obama regime, we will continue to circle the bowl.

Praying
October 11th, 2011, 07:22 PM
:hug Well, this is a very powerful thread as we have all seen from all the comments here! I for one, feel the need to set the record straight, to prevent anymore misunderstandings.
I have never ever forgotten where I came from. Though I came to Christ decades ago, I still remember what it was like to see things happening that I didn't truly understand, and feeling the need to just do something to make it stop. At the time, I didn't always realize when I was falling into a trap until it was too late, and I would realize that although my original intentions were good,- that I had been used. This is how I feel about some of the people who are a part of this. I do not believe this is the case with all of them, but yes, I believe there are some, who are not pure evil, but are indeed blind and clueless, believing they are making a positive difference. For these, I have compassion, and can even appreciate the effort they are trying to make, misguided as it is. I know what it is like to think you're doing the right thing only to have it blow up in your face. I have never forgotten all Jesus has saved me from, and I am thankful, because there was a time in my life when I myself would have joined them, being blinded to the "whole picture", and believing I was standing up for something good. I would never be a part of something like this now, but I remember the girl of so long ago who maybe would have managed to get talked into it on a legitimate issue, not realizing I was yoking myself with evil.
I do pray, that those who are truly standing up for our country will separate themselves, and if they choose to continue, that they will deal with their grievances apart from the mass protests which are taking place. I pray for their salvation, that the scales will be removed from their eyes, and they will not allow themselves to become a part of the anger and hatred that others in these protests are promoting. We are all tired, and I understand the few who have legitimate grievances. I agree we need jobs, and something more than this jobs plan that has been presented. I agree, that we need to stop the mandatory universal health coverage, and all these other things that have been allowed to slip under our noses. I also believe, in my humble opinion, that joining the mass protests, with people who have hidden agendas, is not the correct path to take.
I hesitate to place them in the same category as those who are promoting evil, because I do not believe everyone involved belongs in this category. I do believe, that those with legitimate concerns we all have, are misguided, and are allowing themselves to be used to further an agenda that is not from God, and I pray their eyes will be opened, and they will realize this, and flee to safety. I am afraid for them, and I pray for them, and although I am supportive of their desire to make a positive difference, the avenue they are taking to do this is a dangerous path.
Many of us have not always been Christians, and as much as it grieves me, I still remember bits and pieces of my life, when I wasn't. Someone kept praying for me, and refused to give up on me. Jesus refused to give up on me. I am thankful there was someone always praying for me, who loved me anyway, and who even in my most misguided mistakes, showed me love and compassion for where I was at the time. I have no right to judge those who are lost and misguided. I was one of them. Even still, I make mistakes, just different ones. Among this big crowd, someone in the middle of all of this will come to Christ. I don't want to have to face them in heaven after I called them names here on this earth.

Acts5:41
October 11th, 2011, 07:29 PM
A few thoughts.

My husband and I are very cynical about humanity's ability to govern itself. We can't.... it doesn't matter who protests, what flags are waved, what agendas are posted, who speaks, who doesn't, who defecates on a police car (really a class act, that!), or attacks people with an MBA - HUMANITY CANNOT GOVERN itself.

CANNOT.

Really, the protest is a pointless, useless, wasteful (tax dollars spent on security, etc.), and completely unproductive exercise. Nothing will change.

The "bad guys" will remain corrupt. The politicians will serve their own and party agendas, and not an agenda that is focused on helping their consitituents. The other guys want power and money.

THE ONLY effective change you and I can make - register to vote, and get rid of them in the next election. Don't put your money into a company that has questionable practices. Write some letters to your representatives. Pray for them, the unreached, and look up.

In my opinion, this whole "protest" is just a distraction to keep us from looking behind the curtain at the back-room deals and the lousy state of the world in general.

steve93138
October 11th, 2011, 08:55 PM
A few thoughts.

My husband and I are very cynical about humanity's ability to govern itself. We can't.... it doesn't matter who protests, what flags are waved, what agendas are posted, who speaks, who doesn't, who defecates on a police car (really a class act, that!), or attacks people with an MBA - HUMANITY CANNOT GOVERN itself.

CANNOT.

Really, the protest is a pointless, useless, wasteful (tax dollars spent on security, etc.), and completely unproductive exercise. Nothing will change.

The "bad guys" will remain corrupt. The politicians will serve their own and party agendas, and not an agenda that is focused on helping their consitituents. The other guys want power and money.

THE ONLY effective change you and I can make - register to vote, and get rid of them in the next election. Don't put your money into a company that has questionable practices. Write some letters to your representatives. Pray for them, the unreached, and look up.

In my opinion, this whole "protest" is just a distraction to keep us from looking behind the curtain at the back-room deals and the lousy state of the world in general.

True dat.

HeIsEnough
October 11th, 2011, 09:22 PM
what everyone else is saying here is just not very Christian-like w/the tone read through out the thread..

I think you've stated it enough. Others can jab back, they are human, just like you.


I appreciate you posting - b/c i must admit after posting last nite and w/the back lash i was a bit saddened.. SO it was nice to see your post - a little confirmation from God that i am not alone in my thinking...


I saw no backlash. Look, bad ideas and bad actions won't help anyone, even if your feelings get hurt. As bad as this world may get, it is nothing, and it amounts to nothing. If you remember, you are rich, more rich than you can imagine, and your focus should be on Christ, and never take your eyes off of Him. Many here have suffered lately, and all throughout our lives, you're not alone in that either. Whether you think so or not, Christ is the answer for the believer, He brings the hope, He provides for us, He is the one who sustains us. Stop focusing on this world, it is perishing, it is destined for the fire. We all care about the USA, those of us who live here anyway. We want what is right to happen, but it doesn't touch my life in Christ, therefore I will not be dismayed, I will never be without hope. Your tone sounds defeated, and you should never allow yourself to be defeated if you have Christ. These are the things you need to consider, take stock of your life in Christ Jesus.

After all, this is a board dedicated to Jesus Christ, our Lord. Reminders of why we are here and what life is all about is needed by us all, most especially in this forum, most especially at a time like this. We have brothers and sisters in Christ around the world who suffer greatly on a daily basis, and yet God takes care of them. He will take care of us.

jackson64
October 11th, 2011, 09:29 PM
A few thoughts.

My husband and I are very cynical about humanity's ability to govern itself. We can't.... it doesn't matter who protests, what flags are waved, what agendas are posted, who speaks, who doesn't, who defecates on a police car (really a class act, that!), or attacks people with an MBA - HUMANITY CANNOT GOVERN itself.

CANNOT.

Really, the protest is a pointless, useless, wasteful (tax dollars spent on security, etc.), and completely unproductive exercise. Nothing will change.

The "bad guys" will remain corrupt. The politicians will serve their own and party agendas, and not an agenda that is focused on helping their consitituents. The other guys want power and money.

THE ONLY effective change you and I can make - register to vote, and get rid of them in the next election. Don't put your money into a company that has questionable practices. Write some letters to your representatives. Pray for them, the unreached, and look up.

In my opinion, this whole "protest" is just a distraction to keep us from looking behind the curtain at the back-room deals and the lousy state of the world in general.

Exactly Acts !!

..and mochamel--if it helps relieve some of the frustration and feelings of helplessness then yell away--I'm a big boy, I can take it--and most of us Christians should be thick skinned by now.
PS: If anyone thinks for a second the "jobs bill" is actually gonna create jobs any better than the first trillion stimulus...or the cash for clunkers....or the debt ceiling raises at the last minute...or the Auto bailouts...or the mortgage bankers bailouts would fix the housing crisis...etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ad nauseum ( Spending of nearly 12 TRILLION dollars in 3 years- 5.6 million of that added to the debt of your kids-let that sink in---well all I can say is I admire your optimism...sadly though it is just another campaign tool-- a very clever one and also a very sick, sadistic ploy to give false hope to the beleaguered who are hurting and desperate.

How sick is it to offer bologna sandwiches to the starving when one knows that the deli is all out of meat...

BarbT
October 11th, 2011, 10:57 PM
Praying :wave

Sorry, but I don't accept the notion that innocent people who only desire a "better life" are being unfairly criticized for protesting. The personal motivations of these people aren't the issue.They have freely chosen to attach themselves to a mob and a mob is never a good thing.

I hold each of them accountable for the consequences of the mob's actions. No excuses.

Although this is an apples/oranges example, last year Glenn Beck organized a huge religious rally in DC to "honor God". It was a blasphemous blending of Christianity and other faiths, including Islam.

Sadly, many born-again believers defended their participation in this display of spiritual adultery arguing their reasons for attending were "pure". They did not worship other gods but they had no problem standing along side people who did.

Excuses in both cases won't cut it IMO.:tsk

Buzzardhut
October 11th, 2011, 11:01 PM
Praying :wave

Sorry, but I don't accept the notion that innocent people who only desire a "better life" are being unfairly criticized for protesting. The personal motivations of these people aren't the issue.They have freely chosen to attach themselves to a mob and a mob is never a good thing.

I hold each of them accountable for the consequences of the mob's actions. No excuses.

Although this is an apples/oranges example, last year Glenn Beck organized a huge religious rally in DC to "honor God". It was a blasphemous blending of Christianity and other faiths, including Islam.

Sadly, many born-again believers defended their participation in this display of spiritual adultery arguing their reasons for attending were "pure". They did not worship other gods but they had no problem standing along side people who did.

Excuses in both cases won't cut it IMO.:tskExactly and they could not discern the situation. Instead they just made it a personal pity party. :idunno

savedatcamp
October 12th, 2011, 06:25 AM
Stripped, quartered, and beheaded :doh Such love.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/crinie123/abolishcapitalism.jpg

Jane Fonda...is that you?:hehee

TimothyK
October 12th, 2011, 08:21 AM
Stripped, quartered, and beheaded :doh Such love.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/crinie123/abolishcapitalism.jpg

See, I would contend the vast majority are stupid. Not stupid as in retarded.

They're obviously not mentally incapacitated or inept. If there are truly mentally challenged folks there, I'm sorry they were carried along in all of this. That's certainly not a good environment for them and shame on the folks who put them there.

But for the most part the people that are there are not there because anyone misled them or because they're mentally unable, but because they see an opportunity for their agenda. May God give grace, may mercy be given to those few who are genuinely deceived and misled. I do agree with folks on this sentiment and pray as such.

For all five of them.

Whatever very small percentage of folks who actually fit that population. I don't have much sympathy for the majority who are doing this knowing full well what they're getting behind and advocating. They're at God's mercy. I give them over to God that He may have mercy on who He will have mercy and justice for who He will deliver it unto. Most of these folks are certainly old enough to determine right from wrong and be held accountable for their own choices.

God can certainly tell them a part. I will let God be God. I can only speak of these people in general terms as an observer, and in general, this protest and the people that make it up are stupid. I do not apologize for that generalization.

I want to live in the America the Tea Party is advocating for.

Maybe I'll want to get a pooper scooper and some spray on shampoo for these guys, I guess. Tell them they're in the wrong state and going the wrong way.


The ones who are not ignorant aren't occupying wall street they occupy the stupid seat. :hehSorry, too tempting to pass up. :lol2

:hehee

Yep. And these guys are mad because they don't like what's going on but find themselves unable to agree with the folks who warned them about the guy they themselves put on the stupid seat. So now they're using a wet noodle trying to beat him off of it.

Or wait, no, it's the rich right? They can't say it's the guy they themselves put on the stupid seat! Then they'd have to concede they're in the wrong place and maybe Mr. Rich isn't the cause of all their problems!

They're not thinking either way.

They're waiting for the mob to tell them what to think. Most of them probably couldn't explain to you why they're doing what they're doing individually. It's not that they're mentally unable. They're mentally unwilling. It doesn't make too much sense when you break it down and they know it. Some admit this outright without really realizing and then get reaaally upset when you call them on it.