View Full Version : Doesn't John 3:5 require baptism for salvation?
October 1st, 2009, 09:26 PM
Most of the posts have been mind numbingly long and difficult to read. So, lets make this simple, where was anything other than immersion shown in scripture? Frankly, this whole debate is just shy of absurd.
I couldn't agree with you more. If that much diligence was put into searching the scriptures, this would be a non issue. Or at least 20 pages less.
October 2nd, 2009, 12:32 AM
The issue is not whether baptism is essential. The issue is whether we, as Bible believing Christians, are obligated to believe that the Bible teaches that the mode of baptism is exclusively by immersion.
Thou protest baptism mucheth
October 2nd, 2009, 12:37 AM
[QUOTE=Buzzardhut;1486746]Thou protest baptism mucheth
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/crinie123/deadhorse.gif :scratch Did you immerse that dead horse before you beat it to death? :lol2 :pound
October 2nd, 2009, 05:04 AM
Thankfully, you understood what I referred to a bit better just after this statement in your post.
I was referring to other statements besides yours that had just been made.
Around here, and at this late in the game, it is a more important point.
Water baptism has been a thorn for a long time, and is more of a symptom of a problem.
Paul was right to 'wash his hands' of it all, because it takes the focus off of Christ, and onto ritual sacramentalism.
I would rather we ask people if Jesus is your focus of your decisions, is He your morning praise, is He your beautiful friend, is He your Almighty God in whom you place all your trust. These issues have nothing to do with our ceremonial undertakings.
October 3rd, 2009, 02:09 PM
I have followed this thread for a while and taken a back seat, as it were. It seems clear to me that bookworm is only trying to show that he believes that the mode of baptism is not something that should separate us. He himself would be perfectly happy to accept whatever mode of baptism had been used and would not insist that they be re-baptised using a different mode. It is equally clear that most every other poster on this thread believes that there is only one scriptural method of baptism - full immersion. I do not see anyone suggesting that it is essential for salvation. For myself, I am certain that God accepts whatever method is used as long as it is done for the right reasons. If someone acts according to the light that they have, then I believe that is acceptable before God.
Maybe it is time to bring this thread to a close.
October 11th, 2009, 01:16 AM
Just a thought....do you think Jesus will take Home people who haven't been baptised? Is baptism necessary to be taken up in rapture? Any scripture references?
October 11th, 2009, 01:29 AM
To my knowledge, we are under God's grace through Jesus Christ blood as he died for all our sins. I believe that baptism is not necessary to obtain salvation, I am reformed from Catholic and grew up thinking I had to be baptized or I would go to hell because I was born under my parents sin. This is not true, we are saved through belief in the son and his sacrifice for us. None are worthy otherwise./
October 11th, 2009, 01:47 AM
No, a baptism is not necessary because we as saved believers have already been baptized with The Holy Spirit. Everyone who is indwelt with The Holy Spirit has their salvation sealed and will be taken up in the Rapture.
October 11th, 2009, 06:59 AM
Acts 16:31 "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved..."
Salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ and Him alone, not by any works. One who is a true believer will be raptured. There are no other requirements, not baptism, not evangelism, not belonging to a particular church. It is all about faith in Jesus!
October 11th, 2009, 07:01 AM
The thief on the cross was not baptised and Jesus told him that this day you shall be with me in paradise.
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