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EarsToHear
September 27th, 2011, 03:27 PM
I am not, but this seems like a fishing expedition in anticipation of an Ad Hominem argument.

Greg

I'm not trying to trip you up, plus I had to look up the meaning of the Latin phrase. You're wrongly accusing me on both points.
I'm out. Turning you over to the mods to argue with, if they want to continue. :hat

ETA:
Oop, I see they're done also.

jonshaff
September 27th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Eh hum...so really...who baptized Paul?

iSong6:3
September 27th, 2011, 03:30 PM
Yes.

:heh :hat

Kliska
September 27th, 2011, 03:30 PM
Wow... so all this time I thought it was grace that saved through faith. NOW I find out it is taking a bath in literal water... :shocked

Sorry, salvation hinges on a person trusting in Christ ALONE for salvation, to teach anything other than that is to teach a works based salvation (yes, getting dunked is a work)... I guess all the death bed converts are out of luck, as well as those that can't be baptized for various reasons, or those that die in the desert with no water, etc... etc... I guess it is a sad thing that WATER baptism is never listed as a requirement for salvation in the scriptures... and we only have man's opinion to go on.

And, it does indeed matter which denomination you subscribe too, as one can follow the path of this false teaching to its root. BTW, baptism is indeed necessary for salvation, just not the water baptism kind, and we don't have to work for it, God takes care of it for us upon us faithing on Christ. Good news; salvation is not by works lest any man should boast.

Kliska
September 27th, 2011, 03:36 PM
Eh hum...so really...who baptized Paul?

The same Guy Who efficaciously baptized the rest of us believers; God. ;) (I know, the question was rhetorical, but it was too perfect to pass up :lol2)

OnlyHIM!
September 27th, 2011, 03:38 PM
Unlike like being baptized by fire, which would likely happen to the Iranian Navy if they decided to park warships off the Atlantic coast. Just sayin.. just pointing that out... Ok,I hear the crickets...moving on.

Nightelf
September 27th, 2011, 03:39 PM
Wow... so all this time I thought it was grace that saved through faith. NOW I find out it is taking a bath in literal water... :shocked
.


Yes I suppose we have to wash our own sins away. Pass the Mr. Bubble. :wave

jonshaff
September 27th, 2011, 03:46 PM
:lol2
The same Guy Who efficaciously baptized the rest of us believers; God. ;) (I know, the question was rhetorical, but it was too perfect to pass up :lol2)
:heh

OnceWasLost
September 27th, 2011, 04:23 PM
I once heard the answer to the thief not being baptized as being "conditional grace" shown by God to get past that little detail that THE THIEF WASN'T BAPTIZED.

I heard that from a CoC guy and I looked and look yet I don't find the doctrine taught in Scripture, as it pertains to Salvation. :glasses

Amazing the contortions the Bible is forced to make when we want it to fit out pet notions.

Steve53
September 27th, 2011, 05:03 PM
I take a bath to get clean when I'm dirty. It's work - I have to scrub the dirt away. The only thing capable of cleansing my sin is the blood of my Saviour in Whom I have faith in His Saving Grace.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+2:8&version=KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Soak a little too long and you get water on the brain.