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CountryBumpkin
May 16th, 2007, 09:52 PM
William Branham was a man who had a genuine prophetic gift from Jesus Christ... his great mistake was that he also thought he had a teaching gift, and while teaching he lead many astray. Most will doubt this, but God used him in powerful ways with healing and prophecy. If William Branham had just stuck to the calling and gifting God gave him...

Blessings,

Caneman

I disagree. He could not do any healing unless his “angel’ was standing next to him. There were no verifications of the healings and some have been proven to be false.
I certainly would not call him a prophet for he failed the test of prophets set out in the Bible.

Let us have a look at some of his teachings and beliefs:

!) God is not a Trinity, in fact he said that Trinitarianism is of the devil.
He taught that God was not omnipresent because, as a being, He could not be everywhere at once.
2) He denied the deity of Jesus. He believed that Jesus was not God until the Holy Spirit incarnated His body at the time of His baptism. Jesus was again reduced to a mere mortal man when the Holy Spirit supposedly left His body in the Garden of Gethsemane the night before He was crucified.
3) The fall in the Garden of Eden was a result of an adulterous affair between Eve and the Serpent. This doctrine is known as Serpent's Seed. As a result of this affair, Cain was born (i.e., the Serpent--not Adam--was Cain's true father).
4) Branham taught that his Message represents the required truth necessary for members of the Elect Bride of Jesus Christ to accept in order to make the Rapture.
5) He believed that Revelation 18:4 was a call for Christians to leave their denominational churches and come to his Message, the only true revelation of Jesus Christ. He said that those in denominations were of the devil.
6) He believed himself to be the Elijah of Malachi 4:5,6 and the greatest prophet of all time


He said ‘I was with Moses at the burning bush; I saw the Pillar of Fire”

He said “And I was brought east to open the Seven Seals for God.”

IMHO he likened himself to God. He had the “spirit of anti-Christ”



Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

-GodsLove-
May 24th, 2007, 10:30 AM
I think they view the trinity correctly. Father, Son, Spirit makes Lord Jesus Christ. The bible says that Jesus is God so how can you say there are three different Gods. Father, Son, Spirit are just the dispensations of God. In the beginning God was looked to as the Father. Than he when He was Jesus He was the Son because the body he created to dwell in needed a name. Now God is in the form of the Holy Spirit living within us. What's so hard to understand about that? Besides trinity is no where in the bible.

-GodsLove-
May 24th, 2007, 10:32 AM
First off Bro. Branham was human. So therefore he made mistakes, but when he was being annointed not one time did his visions fail. You said he claimed himself to be Elijah. He never said that. You said he prophesied that the world would end in 1977. He never prophesied he predicted. In the sermon he said it was just a prediction not Thus Saith the Lord.

Tamara224
May 24th, 2007, 10:45 AM
I think they view the trinity correctly. Father, Son, Spirit makes Lord Jesus Christ. The bible says that Jesus is God so how can you say there are three different Gods. Father, Son, Spirit are just the dispensations of God. In the beginning God was looked to as the Father. Than he when He was Jesus He was the Son because the body he created to dwell in needed a name. Now God is in the form of the Holy Spirit living within us. What's so hard to understand about that? Besides trinity is no where in the bible.

It's not hard to understand, it just isn't supported by Scripture. The word "trinity" doesn't have to be in the Bible for the concept to be true. Just like the word "rapture" doesn't have to be in the Bible for it to be true.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have always been. There was never a time when God was "just the Father" and then "just the Son" or "just the Holy Spirit". In Genesis God called himself "us".

The concept of the 'trinity' is considered orthodox for a reason... because it is the one explanation that best matches all of the evidence found in Scripture.

-GodsLove-
May 24th, 2007, 02:56 PM
I don't understand how people view the trinity. I've always understood that Trinitarians believe in three gods. Jesus Christ is God. Its not God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. All of them are Jesus Christ in different forms. (Jesus Christ was the name God chose to give himself when was in the form of a man. All the othe such as father, son, holy spirit, elohim, jehovah are just titles. Jesus Christ is the name God chose for himself. All the other titles are just attributes of that name.) Therefore Jesus Christ is God. So that means the trinity is wrong.

-GodsLove-
May 24th, 2007, 03:00 PM
I disagree. He could not do any healing unless his “angel’ was standing next to him. There were no verifications of the healings and some have been proven to be false.
I certainly would not call him a prophet for he failed the test of prophets set out in the Bible.

Let us have a look at some of his teachings and beliefs:

!) God is not a Trinity, in fact he said that Trinitarianism is of the devil.
He taught that God was not omnipresent because, as a being, He could not be everywhere at once.
2) He denied the deity of Jesus. He believed that Jesus was not God until the Holy Spirit incarnated His body at the time of His baptism. Jesus was again reduced to a mere mortal man when the Holy Spirit supposedly left His body in the Garden of Gethsemane the night before He was crucified.
3) The fall in the Garden of Eden was a result of an adulterous affair between Eve and the Serpent. This doctrine is known as Serpent's Seed. As a result of this affair, Cain was born (i.e., the Serpent--not Adam--was Cain's true father).
4) Branham taught that his Message represents the required truth necessary for members of the Elect Bride of Jesus Christ to accept in order to make the Rapture.
5) He believed that Revelation 18:4 was a call for Christians to leave their denominational churches and come to his Message, the only true revelation of Jesus Christ. He said that those in denominations were of the devil.
6) He believed himself to be the Elijah of Malachi 4:5,6 and the greatest prophet of all time


He said ‘I was with Moses at the burning bush; I saw the Pillar of Fire”

He said “And I was brought east to open the Seven Seals for God.”

IMHO he likened himself to God. He had the “spirit of anti-Christ”



Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

The healings weren't false, its just that some people didn't believe when he told them to. William Branham could not heal anyone anymore than we could unless Christ was with him and the person being prayed for believed. Besides how can the gift God gave him to heal people be false. That's saying he is antichrist or a devil. A devil can't cast out a devil because than Satans kingdome would be divided.

Tamara224
May 24th, 2007, 03:15 PM
I don't understand how people view the trinity. I've always understood that Trinitarians believe in three gods.

Then you've understood wrongly. That's not the case at all.


Jesus Christ is God. Its not God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

Yes, Jesus Christ is God - He is God the Son incarnate. Before Jesus was born, the Son of God existed as a person of the trinity, as God.

All of them are Jesus Christ in different forms. (Jesus Christ was the name God chose to give himself when was in the form of a man. All the othe such as father, son, holy spirit, elohim, jehovah are just titles. Jesus Christ is the name God chose for himself. All the other titles are just attributes of that name.) Therefore Jesus Christ is God. So that means the trinity is wrong.


See, this is where you've taken the wrong turn. God chose the name Jesus Christ (well, actually, that's a transliteration of the name He chose) for the incarnation of the Son. But the name He chose to call Himself before then was also God's name: Yahweh. God has many names... all of which He chose to be called by. And, He has more names we don't know about.

But those other names were in use long before Jesus was born. You see, the Son of God existed before Jesus was born... that's the biggy that you seem to be missing. Look at John chapter 1 - The Word was God and the Word was with God and the Word created everything... then later the Word became flesh (Jesus).

The three are not all Jesus, but they are all God. And Jesus is God. But God the Father is not Jesus and Jesus is not the Father.

I know it's confusing... no one who is sane has ever claimed to comprehend it completely. But it is still the best explanation for the Biblical evidence.

Also, if you don't understand the concept of the trinity, then it's best for you not to tell trinitarians we are wrong. You don't know that until you know for sure what we believe. Until then, you're building strawmen and tilting at windmills.

-GodsLove-
May 24th, 2007, 03:20 PM
If Jesus is not the Father than your making two gods. Jesus and the Father are the same thing, God in two different manifestations.

LaMontre
May 24th, 2007, 03:21 PM
I don't understand how people view the trinity. I've always understood that Trinitarians believe in three gods. Jesus Christ is God. Its not God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. All of them are Jesus Christ in different forms. (Jesus Christ was the name God chose to give himself when was in the form of a man. All the othe such as father, son, holy spirit, elohim, jehovah are just titles. Jesus Christ is the name God chose for himself. All the other titles are just attributes of that name.) Therefore Jesus Christ is God. So that means the trinity is wrong.

Yeah, it might be helpful for you to understand what we actually believe, and how it is supported;

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinity.htm

Thats a very short, and concise treatment of the topic. Hope it helps.

Tamara224
May 24th, 2007, 03:31 PM
If Jesus is not the Father than your making two gods. Jesus and the Father are the same thing, God in two different manifestations.

You should check the link LaMontre gave. Obviously, you are failing to understand me.

The trinity consists of Three Persons who are all one God. (Not three manifestations of one God).