William Branham?

[-GodsLove-]

You should check the link LaMontre gave. Obviously, you are failing to understand me.

The trinity consists of Three Persons who are all one God. (Not three manifestations of one God).

If you believe that there are not three gods than why do you call yourself a trinitarian? You obviously believe in one god. Trinitarians believe in three gods.

[LaMontre]

If Jesus is not the Father than your making two gods. Jesus and the Father are the same thing, God in two different manifestations.

Yes but, for instance, they have separate functions in your salvation;

The Father Chose you (in the Son);
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The Son redeemed you;
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

The Holy Spirit sealed you;
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,

These are separate functions of each, happening at the same time.

[Tamara224]

If you believe that there are not three gods than why do you call yourself a trinitarian? You obviously believe in one god. Trinitarians believe in three gods.


No, GodsLove, you are now being obtuse. Trinitarians do not believe in three gods. That is a misunderstanding and/or a strawman argument. I am a trinitarian who, along with all other trinitarians, believes in One God in Three Persons: the very definition of Trinity.

[-GodsLove-]

No, GodsLove, you are now being obtuse. Trinitarians do not believe in three gods. That is a misunderstanding and/or a strawman argument. I am a trinitarian who, along with all other trinitarians, believes in One God in Three Persons: the very definition of Trinity.

So that gives him three personalities which makes him three different people which makes him three different gods.

[Tamara224]

So that gives him three personalities which makes him three different people which makes him three different gods.

:ohno Study up on it a little bit. Come back when you begin to understand. :wave

[LaMontre]

So that gives him three personalities which makes him three different people which makes him three different gods.

In your opinion....lets keep this in context.

[-GodsLove-]

:ohno Study up on it a little bit. Come back when you begin to understand. :wave


I understand. What I don't understand is how you can say God is three different people but than say there is one God. What I believe is that God is one person filling three different offices. Right now he is filling the office or title of the Holy Ghost so he can live within us until he returns in flesh.

[LaMontre]

I understand. What I don't understand is how you can say God is three different people but than say there is one God. What I believe is that God is one person filling three different offices. Right now he is filling the office or title of the Holy Ghost so he can live within us until he returns in flesh.

Who was Jesus praying to?
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jesus said he was with the Father before the world was. Was he lying to us here??

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John says Jesus was with God at the beginning. Is this a lie?

[Tamara224]

I understand. What I don't understand is how you can say God is three different people but than say there is one God.

I didn't say God is three different people. I said God is three persons. There is a distinction in those two words.

How can a husband and wife be "one flesh" when they are still obviously two people?

The answer is that there is more to it than our limited human understanding can comprehend.

God is One and Three, at the same time. There's a fancy term for it: hypostatic union.

What I believe is that God is one person filling three different offices. Right now he is filling the office or title of the Holy Ghost so he can live within us until he returns in flesh.

So, you're "oneness" then? I disagree with this because Jesus said He went to be with the Father and He was sending someone else to comfort us until He returns. The Father is in Heaven, the Son (Jesus) at His right hand and the Holy Spirit dwells in the temples (us). That's what the Bible says. So, any understanding of "manifestations" that contradicts the Bible, is wrong.

[-GodsLove-]

Who was Jesus praying to?
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jesus said he was with the Father before the world was. Was he lying to us here??

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John says Jesus was with God at the beginning. Is this a lie?


Jesus was in flesh form and the father was Jesus's theophany (his perfect spirit) which gave Jesus a gateway to understand what his purpose was. Just like us when we understand through revelation the Word of God we are hearing from our theophany because we are still in flesh. If you read the bible we have a theophany waiting for us, just like when Jesus was in flesh had his theophany (father) waiting for him. That doesn't make us two persons but when we hear (revelation) from our theophany it gives us guidance and understanding of who we are and what our purpose is. This was the relationship between the Jesus and him hearing from the Father (his theophany). But of course the difference between our theophanies and Christ's is that he was perfect.

To be honest no man can intellectually understand the great mystries of God, but through prayer and revelation they can be made known to us. You can't give someone a revelation. They have to experience it for themselves.

John 14: 8-10 (King James Version)
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.