William Branham?

[LaMontre]

When God was in the manifestation of the Father he was never a person. Everytime he spoke to Abraham, Job, or whoever it was he was never a person. Now we don't see the Holy Spirit walking around as a person. The only time God was a person was when He was in Jesus Christ. So than that would mess the trinity all up.

Gen 18:2 And he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favor in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Now had these been anything but God, they would have stopped him from worship, would they not?? And isn't it strange that he refers to three men, as one person?

[LaMontre]

Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

[-GodsLove-]

Gen 18:2 And he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favor in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

Now had these been anything but God, they would have stopped him from worship, would they not?? And isn't it strange that he refers to three men, as one person?

You need to keep reading.
Genisis 18: 22

22And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

Not all three were God. Just one. Abraham saw three men, but started talking with just one, Melchesidik, when he said "My Lord" not "Lords" in Genisis 18:3. The two other men went down to Sodom and Gommorah while Abraham and the Lord talked. These two men were the angels sent to Sodom and Gommorah. Which is Genisis 18:22. Now when the men left Abraham and the Lord to go down to Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot met them and bowed and called them "Lords" Genisis 19: 2.

Lot represents polytheism because he is worshipping two people.

Abraham represents monotheism because he is only worshipping one person.

You just need to keep reading into the 19th chapter.

[LaMontre]

You need to keep reading.
Genisis 18: 22

22And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

Not all three were God. Just one. Abraham saw three men, but started talking with just one, Melchesidik, when he said "My Lord" not "Lords" in Genisis 18:3. The two other men went down to Sodom and Gommorah while Abraham and the Lord talked. These two men were the angels sent to Sodom and Gommorah. Which is Genisis 18:22. Now when the men left Abraham and the Lord to go down to Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot met them and bowed and called them "Lords" Genisis 19: 2.

Lot represents polytheism because he is worshipping two people.

Abraham represents monotheism because he is only worshipping one person.

You just need to keep reading into the 19th chapter.

Again your not really contradicting my position here. All three are God. And Melchizedek is not mentioned in that passage. The fact that they went down to Sodom does not mean they were the ones that Lot met either. Why would the bible not refer to them as angels in Abrahams presence, and do so in Lots. Makes no sense.

The thing about Lot and polytheism is just silliness, and completely unscriptural from any viewpoint;

2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds);
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

[CountryBumpkin]

The healings weren't false, its just that some people didn't believe when he told them to. William Branham could not heal anyone anymore than we could unless Christ was with him and the person being prayed for believed. Besides how can the gift God gave him to heal people be false. That's saying he is antichrist or a devil. A devil can't cast out a devil because than Satans kingdome would be divided.

I see that you are obviously a follower of Branham's message. I won't go into the so called healing as I think you can find enough evidence around to refute them, not that I think you will believe it.

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

1Jo 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess *that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

I think these scripture pretty much sums up what Branham was. As a side note I do not believe that he ever cast out any demons.

GodsLove, if you have come to this board because you are seeking the truth I am willing to chat. However if you have come here to try and divide and cause dissention you will not last long.


Let's talk about Jesus's baptism because this is where Branham says that God entered into the man Jesus. I have read more than thirty of Branham's sermons so far and I am not surprised that people have been brainwashed. He flits around, goes on and on, manages to twist scripture in the most incredible way and none of his congregation notices or are too fearful to say anything.

In this tape: Godhead Explained (61-0119A)

Braham repeatedly adds to scripture and nobody says anything. :shocked
I have bolded what is added by him.

"When Jesus was baptized... went straightway out of the water: the heavens was opened unto him and he saw the Spirit of God, like a dove, descending... and a voice from heaven saying, This is My beloved Son in whom I'm pleased to dwell."

Further on in the same sermon:
E-56 " The Spirit of God, like a dove, descended and a voice from heaven (which was above Him) saying, "This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am pleased to dwell." (Really, the right translation... They got the verb before the adverb, like all the foreigner is... "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am pleased to dwell in." Or, "Whom I am pleased to dwell." "In Whom I am pleased to dwell." )"

Yet further on:
"The Father that dwells, tabernacles, lives... "This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am pleased to dwell in." Matthew 3. See? "In Whom I am pleased to dwell. I am very please to dwell in this One." Dwell, that's to occupy, come in the house and live. "In Him was the fullness of the Godhead bodily," says the Scripture. That's right--the visible image of the invisible God. Now, there He is. Now, that's God the Father, God the Son."


How devilish clever! He builds on it until he has everyone believing that the Bible really does say "to dwell in" - and this is an example of how he brainwashed people. He is here reinforcing his teaching that Jesus could not have been God before that. :tsk
Please note that this is not the only sermon that he teaches this baptism untruth. Don't you see it?

[-GodsLove-]

Again your not really contradicting my position here. All three are God. And Melchizedek is not mentioned in that passage. The fact that they went down to Sodom does not mean they were the ones that Lot met either. Why would the bible not refer to them as angels in Abrahams presence, and do so in Lots. Makes no sense.

The thing about Lot and polytheism is just silliness, and completely unscriptural from any viewpoint;

2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds);
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Read Hebrews Chapter 7.

[-GodsLove-]

I see that you are obviously a follower of Branham's message. I won't go into the so called healing as I think you can find enough evidence around to refute them, not that I think you will believe it.

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

1Jo 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess *that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

I think these scripture pretty much sums up what Branham was. As a side note I do not believe that he ever cast out any demons.

GodsLove, if you have come to this board because you are seeking the truth I am willing to chat. However if you have come here to try and divide and cause dissention you will not last long.


Let's talk about Jesus's baptism because this is where Branham says that God entered into the man Jesus. I have read more than thirty of Branham's sermons so far and I am not surprised that people have been brainwashed. He flits around, goes on and on, manages to twist scripture in the most incredible way and none of his congregation notices or are too fearful to say anything.

In this tape: Godhead Explained (61-0119A)

Braham repeatedly adds to scripture and nobody says anything. :shocked
I have bolded what is added by him.

"When Jesus was baptized... went straightway out of the water: the heavens was opened unto him and he saw the Spirit of God, like a dove, descending... and a voice from heaven saying, This is My beloved Son in whom I'm pleased to dwell."

Further on in the same sermon:
E-56 " The Spirit of God, like a dove, descended and a voice from heaven (which was above Him) saying, "This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am pleased to dwell." (Really, the right translation... They got the verb before the adverb, like all the foreigner is... "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am pleased to dwell in." Or, "Whom I am pleased to dwell." "In Whom I am pleased to dwell." )"

Yet further on:
"The Father that dwells, tabernacles, lives... "This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am pleased to dwell in." Matthew 3. See? "In Whom I am pleased to dwell. I am very please to dwell in this One." Dwell, that's to occupy, come in the house and live. "In Him was the fullness of the Godhead bodily," says the Scripture. That's right--the visible image of the invisible God. Now, there He is. Now, that's God the Father, God the Son."


How devilish clever! He builds on it until he has everyone believing that the Bible really does say "to dwell in" - and this is an example of how he brainwashed people. He is here reinforcing his teaching that Jesus could not have been God before that. :tsk
Please note that this is not the only sermon that he teaches this baptism untruth. Don't you see it?


Not once did Branham deny Jesus. He constantly uplifted him and never uplifted himself. Sickness is a demon so therfore he casted out demons.

[-GodsLove-]

I see that you are obviously a follower of Branham's message. I won't go into the so called healing as I think you can find enough evidence around to refute them, not that I think you will believe it.

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

1Jo 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess *that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

I think these scripture pretty much sums up what Branham was. As a side note I do not believe that he ever cast out any demons.

GodsLove, if you have come to this board because you are seeking the truth I am willing to chat. However if you have come here to try and divide and cause dissention you will not last long.


Let's talk about Jesus's baptism because this is where Branham says that God entered into the man Jesus. I have read more than thirty of Branham's sermons so far and I am not surprised that people have been brainwashed. He flits around, goes on and on, manages to twist scripture in the most incredible way and none of his congregation notices or are too fearful to say anything.

In this tape: Godhead Explained (61-0119A)

Braham repeatedly adds to scripture and nobody says anything. :shocked
I have bolded what is added by him.

"When Jesus was baptized... went straightway out of the water: the heavens was opened unto him and he saw the Spirit of God, like a dove, descending... and a voice from heaven saying, This is My beloved Son in whom I'm pleased to dwell."

Further on in the same sermon:
E-56 " The Spirit of God, like a dove, descended and a voice from heaven (which was above Him) saying, "This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am pleased to dwell." (Really, the right translation... They got the verb before the adverb, like all the foreigner is... "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am pleased to dwell in." Or, "Whom I am pleased to dwell." "In Whom I am pleased to dwell." )"

Yet further on:
"The Father that dwells, tabernacles, lives... "This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am pleased to dwell in." Matthew 3. See? "In Whom I am pleased to dwell. I am very please to dwell in this One." Dwell, that's to occupy, come in the house and live. "In Him was the fullness of the Godhead bodily," says the Scripture. That's right--the visible image of the invisible God. Now, there He is. Now, that's God the Father, God the Son."


How devilish clever! He builds on it until he has everyone believing that the Bible really does say "to dwell in" - and this is an example of how he brainwashed people. He is here reinforcing his teaching that Jesus could not have been God before that. :tsk
Please note that this is not the only sermon that he teaches this baptism untruth. Don't you see it?

God could not have incarnated the physical body of Jesus until the virgin birth. Jesus did exsist before that in God, but without a physical body, because He is God.

By the way I am not a Branham follower. I follow Christ, believing that he used Branham to reveal His Word. I must admit that there are those who make him god, but myself and those who believe alike do not view Branham that way. We make Christ our absolute as Branham did, not himself.

[LaMontre]

Read Hebrews Chapter 7.

Thats not an answer either. One has nothing to do with the other. YOU mentioned Melchizedek, not I. So perhaps you should explain where you make the connection between him, and the three that Abraham spoke to.

Because there is nothing in the bible to connect them.

What is really entertaining is watching you divert the topic from one to another as you try to recover from my responses.

This was the point I was initially responding to, with the passage about Abraham;
When God was in the manifestation of the Father he was never a person. Everytime he spoke to Abraham, Job, or whoever it was he was never a person.

This, along with much else you have said, has been shown to be wrong according to scripture.

[-GodsLove-]

Thats not an answer either. One has nothing to do with the other. YOU mentioned Melchizedek, not I. So perhaps you should explain where you make the connection between him, and the three that Abraham spoke to.

Because there is nothing in the bible to connect them.

okay, here is Hebrews 7
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King James Version: Hebrews Chapter 7
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;


2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;


3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.


4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.


5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:


6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.


7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.


8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.


9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.


10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.


11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?


12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.


14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.


15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,


16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.


17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.


19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:


21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)


22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.


23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:


24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.


25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;


27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.


28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.




I don't see how you can say that it has nothing to do with what we were talking about.......It COMPLETELY tells us what happened on that day!