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-GodsLove-
May 28th, 2007, 12:46 AM
GodsLove, may I ask why, if you knew what this board's statement of faith says, did you join?
I'm sorry. I don't understand your question.
Christy
May 28th, 2007, 04:24 AM
I have a problem with William Marion Branham's doctrines, teachings and beliefs as not only are they based on Replacement Theology, but they seem to tie-in with the "planetary pentecost" of the New Agers. And anyone denying the trinity is immediately suspect. I guess Branham's thinking was that the word "trinity" doesn't appear in the Bible, but then again, nor does the word "rapture", but both are alluded to.
CountryBumpkin
May 28th, 2007, 05:58 AM
I'm sorry. I don't understand your question.
If you read the RR Doctrinal Belief Statements at the top about the Godhead and the deity of Jesus Christ which you obviously do not agree with, why did you join? Are you seeking the truth? Is your heart open to hearing it?
-GodsLove-
May 28th, 2007, 02:49 PM
If you read the RR Doctrinal Belief Statements at the top about the Godhead and the deity of Jesus Christ which you obviously do not agree with, why did you join? Are you seeking the truth? Is your heart open to hearing it?
I didn't read that before I joined. To be honest I believe what I believe, but I would like to understand more about how other Christian religions work. Please visit this website: removed link
I know you don't believe in what he teaches but it might help you understand a little. If you scroll down to the bottom there is a small explanation of how we view the trinity. It does a better job than I did of explaining. Anyhow there is tons of stuff you can take a look at!
-GodsLove-
May 28th, 2007, 05:19 PM
If you read the RR Doctrinal Belief Statements at the top about the Godhead and the deity of Jesus Christ which you obviously do not agree with, why did you join? Are you seeking the truth? Is your heart open to hearing it?
I just realized on your post you stated that I did not believe in the deity of Christ. I absolutely believe that Christ was Deity. If I didn't I would not be a Christian. I think I have said this a few times.
Teacup
May 28th, 2007, 06:42 PM
My cousin gave me some little blue William Branham books to read several yrs. ago. I was curious why they followed his teachings, so I read some.....I was amazed that W. Branham's pride was not noticed by followers. I remember one story in the book about a man in Branham's town who openly talked against W.B being a prophet/healer. Later that same man's wife became terminally ill and there was no hope given to her by the drs. In a moment of desperation, the man called for W.B. in a last hope of her being healed.story goes on to say that Mr W.B. spread his fingers over his chest and said, "who me?" " he wants ME to heal his wife?" (sarcasm)...."but I am not a prophet or a healer".......he was clearly mocking this poor man who was desperate enough to call on a "faith healer" & that is NOT the fruit of the spirit, imo. That was just one of many red flags as I read the books....I couldn't even finish them....there were claims that he would become sick only because the healings he performed took all of the health and energy out of him. ...claims that he was there when Moses parted the sea,.....many things he said revealed that the fruit of the spirit was not operating in him.
I later read a book by a man who worked the faith healing rallies with Branham. He became aware that Branham was false when many of the family members would call extremely angry that their "healed" family member had died after being proclaimed healed. He talked about how callous Branham was to them and uncaring.....about the excuses, and how Branham avoided and left town from those whose lives had been ruined by his supposed "healings". Lots more strange stuff about demons and angels tormenting him throughout his life. I was sick when I read that stuff. I truly pray that the Lord delivers people out of this cult. DLee
CountryBumpkin
May 28th, 2007, 06:55 PM
Yes I believe Jesus was fully God in a man.
No. I believe God created the egg just as he did the sperm. Jesus couldn't have had a biological mother because he was God and God is eternal. And for Mary to have produced the egg would mean that there had to be a sexual act and there wasn't it was the Holy Spirit overshadowing.
GodsLove, this is why I say that you deny the deity of Jesus. Please read LaMontre's post above.
Jesus had to born of the seed of a woman or he could not be the Messiah.
William Branham says in Tape Oneness (62-0211)
"He can't have a mother. Jesus was not even anything to Mary, but He was just... She was an incubator that hatched Him."
Well, they always believed, and I had an idea of it myself years ago that the--the immaculate conception was that God overshadowed her and put a blood cell in there, but the egg come from the woman. If the egg come from the woman, there has to come a sensation to bring the egg through the tube to the womb. See what you do with God? You make Him in a sexual mess. God, Who created the blood cell, created the egg also... Doctor, there has to be both male and female pollen. That's right. "
Does this sound right to you? :ohno
That our almighty God who created heaven and earth and all in it, could not cause Mary'y egg(seed) to be fertilized by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit by way of a supernatural conception?
The Bible does not say Mary was an incubator, does it? The Bible does not state that God created the egg, does it? So who do you listen to, a man or God's Word? Please, please pray about this. God, in His infinite wisdom did not violate the laws of nature that He had originally designed, to bring our Redeemer into the world, instead He put it to higher service.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
William Branham is saying that God did not end His work, He was still creating thousands of years later.
-GodsLove-
May 28th, 2007, 07:32 PM
My cousin gave me some little blue William Branham books to read several yrs. ago. I was curious why they followed his teachings, so I read some.....I was amazed that W. Branham's pride was not noticed by followers. I remember one story in the book about a man in Branham's town who openly talked against W.B being a prophet/healer. Later that same man's wife became terminally ill and there was no hope given to her by the drs. In a moment of desperation, the man called for W.B. in a last hope of her being healed.story goes on to say that Mr W.B. spread his fingers over his chest and said, "who me?" " he wants ME to heal his wife?" (sarcasm)...."but I am not a prophet or a healer".......he was clearly mocking this poor man who was desperate enough to call on a "faith healer" & that is NOT the fruit of the spirit, imo. That was just one of many red flags as I read the books....I couldn't even finish them....there were claims that he would become sick only because the healings he performed took all of the health and energy out of him. ...claims that he was there when Moses parted the sea,.....many things he said revealed that the fruit of the spirit was not operating in him.
I later read a book by a man who worked the faith healing rallies with Branham. He became aware that Branham was false when many of the family members would call extremely angry that their "healed" family member had died after being proclaimed healed. He talked about how callous Branham was to them and uncaring.....about the excuses, and how Branham avoided and left town from those whose lives had been ruined by his supposed "healings". Lots more strange stuff about demons and angels tormenting him throughout his life. I was sick when I read that stuff. I truly pray that the Lord delivers people out of this cult. DLee
You should listen to that book, where Branham is actually talking. He did not say that with sarcasm as his tone. When he claims that he was with Moses, he is talking about us being in God as God was with Moses because we were in God before the foundation of the world. If thats the case we were with Moses as God was with Moses. Do you understand?
Branham could only heal someone with God's help if the person believed. It was by their faith they were healed not Branhams. He even says that in his sermons. Of course people were upset when they were not healed because they thought Branham could heal them just by touching them and so their hopes crashed because they did not have that faith required to be healed.
Yes, Branhams body would become weak when someone was healed because he was human and the power of God was strong when God used him so it would make him weak.
He didn't avoid people when they weren't healed. If they weren't healed it was simply because they did not have faith they could be healed.
If Branham wasn't the chosen prophet than who is to fulfill
Malachi 4:5
5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."
Revelations 10:7
7But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets."
(Who is the man to fulfill these last day prophecies? It has to be someone.If its not Branham who is it?)
-GodsLove-
May 28th, 2007, 07:38 PM
GodsLove, this is why I say that you deny the deity of Jesus. Please read LaMontre's post above.
Jesus had to born of the seed of a woman or he could not be the Messiah.
William Branham says in Tape Oneness (62-0211)
"He can't have a mother. Jesus was not even anything to Mary, but He was just... She was an incubator that hatched Him."
Well, they always believed, and I had an idea of it myself years ago that the--the immaculate conception was that God overshadowed her and put a blood cell in there, but the egg come from the woman. If the egg come from the woman, there has to come a sensation to bring the egg through the tube to the womb. See what you do with God? You make Him in a sexual mess. God, Who created the blood cell, created the egg also... Doctor, there has to be both male and female pollen. That's right. "
Does this sound right to you? :ohno
That our almighty God who created heaven and earth and all in it, could not cause Mary'y egg(seed) to be fertilized by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit by way of a supernatural conception?
The Bible does not say Mary was an incubator, does it? The Bible does not state that God created the egg, does it? So who do you listen to, a man or God's Word? Please, please pray about this. God, in His infinite wisdom did not violate the laws of nature that He had originally designed, to bring our Redeemer into the world, instead He put it to higher service.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
William Branham is saying that God did not end His work, He was still creating thousands of years later.
The bible doesn't say he created the sperm either. Branham doesn't say God couldn't cause Mary's egg to be fertilized, but he says there had to be a sensations to cause the egg to be fertilized and that could only happen by a sexual act. God couldn't come by sex. I would pray about it but to be honest I really don't feel confused about it. I understand it and it makes sense.
Teacup
May 28th, 2007, 09:01 PM
He didn't avoid people when they weren't healed. If they weren't healed it was simply because they did not have faith they could be healed.
And here inlies the false teaching of that which is in bold in your quote.
Lets look to God's word to see who's faith it is that is needed for healing to occur.
James 5:14-15 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick peson well; the Lord will raise him up.
See that? It is the faith of the elders that heals.....not the faith of the sick ones.
ysic, DLee
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