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-GodsLove-
May 28th, 2007, 09:16 PM
And here inlies the false teaching of that which is in bold in your quote.

Lets look to God's word to see who's faith it is that is needed for healing to occur.

James 5:14-15 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick peson well; the Lord will raise him up.

See that? It is the faith of the elders that heals.....not the faith of the sick ones.

ysic, DLee

True. It is also the faith of the person laying the hands.

You can also look at:

Acts 3:16
16. By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see.

Since the Bible doesn't condradict itself it takes both to be healed. We are making this matter complicated. All that matters is that those involved in wanting someone or themselves to become healed needs to have faith that Jesus Christ can heal them.

This is the same as Christ healing the scars of your sin. It can't just be Christ's desire to save you, it has to be yours too. Of course He desires to save everyone, but we have got to believe it too.

LaMontre
May 28th, 2007, 09:17 PM
If Branham wasn't the chosen prophet than who is to fulfill

Malachi 4:5
5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

-GodsLove-
May 28th, 2007, 09:20 PM
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Correct. The first two verses are refering to John as being the forrunner to Christ, who was prophesied to be Elias for the first coming.

There is also a for-runner for the second coming of Christ who is the Elijah.

LaMontre
May 28th, 2007, 09:41 PM
Correct. The first two verses are refering to John as being the forrunner to Christ, who was prophesied to be Elias for the first coming.

There is also a for-runner for the second coming of Christ who is the Elijah.

You have no reference? :idunno

Teacup
May 28th, 2007, 09:43 PM
Acts 3:16. By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see. In context, vs. 11-12 explains that the onlookers were staring at Peter and John astonished at their power to heal. In the verses that follow, Peter quickly explains to them that it was not their own human power that healed, but that it was the faith that comes through God that gave healing...still in line with James - the faith of the elders, not the sick.



Since the Bible doesn't condradict itself it takes both to be healed. We are making this matter complicated. All that matters is that those involved in wanting someone or themselves to become healed needs to have faith that Jesus Christ can heal them. I can't find any scripture where the physically sick have to have enough faith to be healed. If you have some I might do some rethinking.


This is the same as Christ healing the scars of your sin. It can't just be Christ's desire to save you, it has to be yours too. Of course He desires to save everyone, but we have got to believe it too. So Jesus can't save unless we are willing? Who makes us willing?

-GodsLove-
May 28th, 2007, 10:19 PM
In context, vs. 11-12 explains that the onlookers were staring at Peter and John astonished at their power to heal. In the verses that follow, Peter quickly explains to them that it was not their own human power that healed, but that it was the faith that comes through God that gave healing...still in line with James - the faith of the elders, not the sick.


I can't find any scripture where the physically sick have to have enough faith to be healed. If you have some I might do some rethinking.

So Jesus can't save unless we are willing? Who makes us willing?

Christ in us makes us willing because every child of God is predestinated before the foundation of the world to except Christ as Savior. I don't know why you would ask that if you know about choice. God gave us a choice. You weren't born serving God every moment of your life. There came a time where you had to accept him. He has already saved us, we have to accept it.

Matthew 9:22
22Jesus turned and saw her. "Take heart, daughter," he said, "your faith has healed you." And the woman was healed from that moment.


Mark 10:52
52"Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.

How can you say the physically sick didn't need to have faith to be healed. It doesn't make sense at all.

-GodsLove-
May 28th, 2007, 10:50 PM
You have no reference? :idunno

Matthew 17:10-13 -Speaking of John

10The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"

11Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

Since the first coming of Jesus wasn't the last days and the Second Coming is the last days. Since Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever he will have an Elijah for his second coming to prepare the way.

Revelations 10:7

7But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets."

This verse is stating that the seventh angel(messenger) will sound his trumpet( his voice) If you read Revelations a trumpet is reffered to what the person is saying. The mystery of God would be finished.(all the loose ends and unanswered mysterys in the Bible like the seven seals will be made known.) just as he announced to his servants the prophets. ( meaning the Lord let his prophets know this Elijah would come) This announcement or prophesy was made by Malachi and John whom God used to write Revelations.


Malachi 4:5-6

5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

This can't be John because this Elijah is to do his work before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. We know the great and dreadful day means the last days.

CountryBumpkin
May 29th, 2007, 04:36 AM
The bible doesn't say he created the sperm either. Branham doesn't say God couldn't cause Mary's egg to be fertilized, but he says there had to be a sensations to cause the egg to be fertilized and that could only happen by a sexual act. God couldn't come by sex. I would pray about it but to be honest I really don't feel confused about it. I understand it and it makes sense.

It only makes sense to you because if not then you would have to question the whole serpent seed doctrine that you believe. You denigrate a miracle of God to something sexual. God is God and yet you are saying that He could not supernaturally fertilize an egg, the same God who created that egg.

Jesus had to be born of the woman's seed to make the Plan of Redemption possible. No other way will do and unless you believe that then you are denying the deity of Jesus Christ.

BTW a woman's egg moves into her fallopian tubes roughly every 28 days. If the egg is not fertilized by sperm within a time frame, the woman's uterus changes and menstration begins. There is no such thing as a sensations to fertilize an egg.

CountryBumpkin
May 29th, 2007, 04:40 AM
This can't be John because this Elijah is to do his work before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. We know the great and dreadful day means the last days.

No, the great and dreadful day of the Lord is the tribulation. Branham died 50 years ago and you want to believe that he was the Elijah. So who is doing Elijah's work these past decades?

Christy
May 29th, 2007, 05:38 AM
Branham claimed to be guided by an angel, yet there is no biblical subtance for this claim, it's also interesting to note that Muhammed also claimed to be guided by an angel. He (Branham) could also read people's thoughts, yet this isn't a New Testament gift, but can definitely be found to be something that is done by occult mystics.

What endeared Branham to people was the fact that he remained common, he dressed modestly and turned away offerings, saying he had enough money.
He also concealed his Oneness doctrine, as well as his other weird doctrines, such as his take on the trinitarian doctrine. He always insisted that people who were baptized in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost had to be re-baptized in the name of Jesus only.

He also claimed that the sin of Eve in the Garden of Eden was that she had sexual relations with the serpent or Satan, so in effect with this is mind he said that if one saw anything bad happening, a woman would be the cause of it - all the trouble in the world was because of women, according to William Branham.

The most questionable aspect of his life was the halo or "pillar of fire" that constantly hung over his head, which was depicted in photo's - again, this cannot be substantiated biblically. Branham was never humble when it came to claiming that he was a true prophet of God. He claimed succession from the following "prophets":

The Apostle Paul

Irenaeus

Saint Martin (Roman Catholic)

Columba

Martin Luther

Wesley

William Branham

2 Timothy 4:3 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.