Psychology And The Church

[Jesse]

The following You Tube videos show a documentary called Psychology And The Church: Critical Questions...Crucial Answers (http://www.thebereancall.org/node/4946), which is hosted by T. A. McMahon, the co-author of The Seduction of Christianity (http://members.tripod.com/jdlarsenmn/seduction.htm). Here they are....


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Dave Hunt and T. A. McMahon have also been working on a new book called Psychology And The Church. (http://members.tripod.com/jdlarsenmn/radio.htm) You can click that link to find a radio series that they did which is based on this book. The book should be available on their site (http://www.thebereancall.org) sometime this fall.

[Jesse]

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[MrsBri]

You're posting about a very sensitive subject for many. T A McMahon & Dave Hunt address some critical differences between Psycology & the Bible which cannot be ignored. The main problem I have with Psycology is the teaching about Self-esteem & it's in this way that it's infiltrated the Church of Christ.

The TV Preacher Robert Schuller has said:

"The single deepest need in human existence is self-respect, self-esteem, honor and glory in personhood"

"And what is hell? It is the loss of pride that naturally follows separation from God - the ultimate and unfailing source of our soul's sense of self-respect"

"I don't think anything has been done in the name of Christ that and under the banner of Christianity that has proven more destructive to human personality and, hence, counterproductive to the evangelism enterprise than the often crude, uncouth, and unchristian strategy of attempting to make people aware of their lost and sinful condition."

This secular teaching about self-esteem, self-respect, self-worth, self-image, and all the other selfisms is an unBiblical lie. The Bible tells us in Phl 2:3 "[Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves." and in Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

In fact, when you think about it, what was Lucifer's sin? It was pride! See Isaiah 14:12-13

And, Self-love is one of the signs of the last days: 2 Timothy 3:1-2 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud....."

[eve_anne_gelical]

Ah...you can blame alot of this on James Dobson who has always had one foot on the Bible and one foot on psychology ,which cause for an unstable stand. As far as "self esteem" goes, God's Word tells us we already think too highly of ourselves then we should, that is our problem. God's Word tells us to die to "self" not build it up. To focus on Him and others not ourselves. Psychology is a system that was formulated by men who were godless and thought believing in God was detrimental to the mind. Freud,Jung and the lot had occultic influences. Now we have "Christian psychologogists" trying to mix God's Word with that of those godless system. When did Gods Word not become enough ?

"Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" 1 Corinthians 1:20

"His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness" 2 Peter 1:3

[Kliska]

My training is in Counseling Psychology. My husband is a Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist. Psychology, like many other things changes form depending on whose hands it is in; if it is in an atheist's hands it's one thing, but in the hands of a Bible believing Christian it can positively impact a person's life, and point them to Christ. We have minds, that is not to be denied, sometimes our minds get damaged, just as our bodies do.

[Sing4Him]

My training is in Counseling Psychology. My husband is a Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist. Psychology, like many other things changes form depending on whose hands it is in; if it is in an atheist's hands it's one thing, but in the hands of a Bible believing Christian it can positively impact a person's life, and point them to Christ.

I personally agree with you. :nod

SOME of what Dave Hunt has to say rubs me wrong... some is very good.

[Lexie]

Imo, you have to look carefully, into treatment. If you break your leg, you see a Orthopedic Doctor, to fix it, if your mind is breaking down, maybe you should see someone in Neuroscience, not religion. These are some, who promote Psychology, and the cosmic christ religion, much of it, is on the same line, as a course in Miracles, love your self, and almost all of them had spirit guide visitations. The Sanfords taught about an inner child, and caused hurt to people, who were going back to remember, things that happened to them, and they were false memories.

Cosmic Consciousness: A Study of the Evolution of the Human Mind

1966

Agnes Sanford

The Healing Gifts of the Spirit


Norman Vincent Peale

The Power of Positive Thinking


1976

ed. Helen Schucman

A Course in Miracles

1976

The Rev. Morton Kelsey

The Other Side of Silence: A Guide to Christian Meditation

1977

Ken Wilber

The Spectrum of Consciousness


1978

M. Scott Peck

The Road Less Traveled: A New Psychology of Love, Traditional Values, and Spiritual Growth

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=15820

Christian M Scott Peck

In his ground-breaking bestseller, The Road Less Traveled, Peck took readers on a personal journey of psychological and spiritual development. In his new national bestseller, The Different Drum, he takes the next step--to the larger experience of living and working in community.

There is a Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, mentality (one-sided thinking - ignorance that produces hostility) in every religion, the one-sidedness, in every ideology. Christianity cannot be condemned as responsible for the fundamentalists who claim to represent such. One just has to look at Mother Teresa or Martin Luther King, Jr. to see the opposite of such thinking. You can find the Falwell in Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Jainism, Mohammedism and of course Christianity. That is the narrow one-sided exclusiveness that limits insight to one set of rules and one objective truth, under the literal logic or rationialism, that fails to apprehend the unseen intuitive essence of existence and ignorantly labels outsiders as misled sinners, while surrounding themselves with interior neurotic and finite walls of security and certainty. All is safe in this illusion, but all is not just, nor fair, and does not transcend prejudice that surpasses tribal identity, an identity that must be scrapped in order to bring higher consciousness of planetary cultural peace and love based on principle with intuitive insight.

http://www.factnet.org/Stages_Of_Spiritual_Growth.html

M Scott Peck's site, about sexuality
http://www.freedom-here-and-now.com/teachers.html

M Scott Peck interview
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/features/article520838.ece

[Sing4Him]

Lexie, you might be interested in reading this book. If you do, let me know what you think, o.k.??

Abusing Memory:The Healing Theology of Agnes Sanford

Author: Dr Jane Gumprecht

Agnes Sanford has long been hailed as the mother of the Inner Healing/Healing of Memories movement. Though her methods are popular in various segments of the Church, they are anything but Christian.
Dr. Gumprecht explores the beginnings of this religious arm of the New Age movement, focusing on Agnes Sanford's rebellion against the orthodox church, her understanding of God's will in connection with suffering, her involvement with New Age leader Emmet Fox, and more...

http://www.canonpress.org/shop/item.asp?itemid=432

[Lexie]

Lexie, you might be interested in reading this book. If you do, let me know what you think, o.k.??

Abusing Memory:The Healing Theology of Agnes Sanford

Author: Dr Jane Gumprecht

Agnes Sanford has long been hailed as the mother of the Inner Healing/Healing of Memories movement. Though her methods are popular in various segments of the Church, they are anything but Christian.
Dr. Gumprecht explores the beginnings of this religious arm of the New Age movement, focusing on Agnes Sanford's rebellion against the orthodox church, her understanding of God's will in connection with suffering, her involvement with New Age leader Emmet Fox, and more...

http://www.canonpress.org/shop/item.asp?itemid=432

Sing,

I have read a lot, on the new age using psychology to make inroads, into the church, never came across that book, thank you.

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[Sing4Him]

She also has written another one called, " Inner Healing".. she is an awesome believer.