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April
January 21st, 2012, 04:45 PM
His motto during his campaign came true. Hope and Change.
He Hoped to CHANGE the way America once was and He Did it too his Socialist Principals and Ideals.

And if, he gets re-elected he will in my opinion even go further in his Socialistics ways.

I do Not trust his faith, whatever it is..He never really has said what it is..

And I did trust that when he says, he is going to forever change the way america was seen around the world, he has done it. In a Bad way.

Obama is Not a Good Guy. Way too Many vacations and parties, yet telling us people to stay home or dont go on trips. Early on in his presidency.

I can not listen to him speak, he gives me chills in a bone chilling way.

I just read news articles of what he is up to next. Always something it seems. And never Good.

Joseph The Carpenter
January 21st, 2012, 04:46 PM
Alison I can give you the simple difference between socialism and capitalism.
Jane and Alison work at the same job, Alison shows up on time does a great job and never takes a day off. Jane is late four out of five days, is texting her friends all the time and is sick once a week. In capitalism Alison gets a raise in pay and Jane gets fired. In socialism nobody gets a raise and nobody gets fired.
President Obama thinks America is evil and must be changed. The American debt when he took office was nine trillion today it is sixteen trillion. there is no way to pay off this debt.
Welcome to the board, :hug

Gideon300
January 21st, 2012, 04:57 PM
I am honestly shocked at the extreme reactions going on here towards Obama. I totally agree about abortion being evil but being a socialist doesn't make him evil!

Alison, please! :rolleyes You didn't answer my question. Are you a Christian? When did you come to know Jesus as your savior?

A man that supports all forms of abortion, ramming the homosexual agenda down people's throats, stepping on the law of the land blatantly because he knows no one will do anything about it doesn't make this man evil to you??? How about selling Mexican drug lords American assault rifles that ended up killing two US gov agents all for the express purpose of taking our 2nd amendment right of owning fire arms away, and then, covering it up. Does that make him evil in your eyes???

Jesus stated this in Matthew 12:30 - "Anyone who isn't with me opposes me, and anyone who isn't working with me is actually working against me." Obama has given speeches where he covered up Jesus' name that was hanging behind his podium. Obama definitely doesn't govern by Jesus' words. If you aren't for and with Jesus you are with Satan. So, if you don't think Satan is evil, I guess that would make Obama good....

Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Gideon300
January 21st, 2012, 04:59 PM
Gideon, you ask if I'm a Christian, just because I suggest Obama might not be as evil as you say! I'm truly shocked at this! Fair enough from what you say Obama does seem bad but I was only asking what you think and questioning. Why would you assume I'm not a Christian? I also think the political correctness of socialism is evil but, at it's heart, socialism is about equality and is not bad!

I'm shocked that a person that says they are Christian would call a man like Obama moral.:tsk

Alison
January 21st, 2012, 05:11 PM
Really? Because I doubt your sincerity if you believe anyone here reacted in the extreme.



It's impossible to look at someone or something in a 'balanced' light when that someone or something is positively skewered and/or imbalanced.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8913/imbalancedscale.jpg

No matter how you try to spin it or expound on it, this is imbalanced. So it is with the man Obama at present. Shine whatever light you'd like on it. It doesn't change the matter of fact. If you think approaching this picture in another way can somehow make it balanced, therein lies your folly. You're deluding yourself.




Timothy I'm not saying Obama is balanced- just most arguments here are not. People are talking about socialist policy like it is evil and I can't understand this. I think Americans see things very differently from us. How can you possibly question my sincerity? It is because I am sincere and want to know the truth sincerely that I am asking these questions. I do n ot jusdge you personally as you do me! I am shocked that Christians behave like this!

Alison
January 21st, 2012, 05:16 PM
Alison I can give you the simple difference between socialism and capitalism.
Jane and Alison work at the same job, Alison shows up on time does a great job and never takes a day off. Jane is late four out of five days, is texting her friends all the time and is sick once a week. In capitalism Alison gets a raise in pay and Jane gets fired. In socialism nobody gets a raise and nobody gets fired.
President Obama thinks America is evil and must be changed. The American debt when he took office was nine trillion today it is sixteen trillion. there is no way to pay off this debt.
Welcome to the board, :hug


Hi Joseph, I agree with what you say and it is like this in the UK too but I don't think socialism is seen as such an evil as it more for people who cannot help themselves- of course it is exploited and always will be as humanity is corrupt I just meant in itself it is not evil and socialist policy should be for the greater good. however, political correctness and people being rewarded for laziness is obviously wrong.

Alison
January 21st, 2012, 05:27 PM
Alison, please! :rolleyes You didn't answer my question. Are you a Christian? When did you come to know Jesus as your savior?

A man that supports all forms of abortion, ramming the homosexual agenda down people's throats, stepping on the law of the land blatantly because he knows no one will do anything about it doesn't make this man evil to you??? How about selling Mexican drug lords American assault rifles that ended up killing two US gov agents all for the express purpose of taking our 2nd amendment right of owning fire arms away, and then, covering it up. Does that make him evil in your eyes???

Jesus stated this in Matthew 12:30 - "Anyone who isn't with me opposes me, and anyone who isn't working with me is actually working against me." Obama has given speeches where he covered up Jesus' name that was hanging behind his podium. Obama definitely doesn't govern by Jesus' words. If you aren't for and with Jesus you are with Satan. So, if you don't think Satan is evil, I guess that would make Obama good....

Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.




Gideon, I am absolutely a Christian! I love the Lord with all my heart and surrender (or try to) daily to His will. I have been a Christian since I was a child but have only started surrendering my life to Him for past 20 years. The Lord has done amazing things in my life! What this has to do with the questions I am asking though is very unclear to me. I live in the UK and I don't know the intricacies about Obama that you do: that he rams homosexuality down people's throats,t hat he supports abortion, in fact most of the things you know and that is why I'm asking. What I don't get though is how his socialist policy makes him evil. Obviously, the above actions are evil, but my point is that
socialism is not and people are just downing him for that and not looking to any good that he does. Surely there must be some good or he would have no supporters. Maybe he is evil, maybe even the Anti-Christ; if so people will only listen if we can see both sides of the debate, rather than act like we're brainwashed. Please stop being so angry with me, questioning my salvation, I just want to know the truth.

Jane
January 21st, 2012, 05:54 PM
Hi Joseph, I agree with what you say and it is like this in the UK too but I don't think socialism is seen as such an evil as it more for people who cannot help themselves-

Now this is a great lie of socialism--that there are masses of people out there who legitimately cannot help themselves. The only people I can think of off the top of my head who qualify for that category are those with debilitating illness and those with significant disabilities. There is a group of people who have believed the lie that they are simply just too disadvantaged from the start to even bother trying to better their position in life. And then there is the group, my BIL is the perfect example, who believes they are just too good to have to struggle a bit and take less than desirable jobs or choose to study something that will be more profitable for them, but outside of their desired field.

I can't accurately comment on Europe, but in the US the infrastructure for people to better their lives has been in place at least since WWII. There are several paths that individuals can take that will result in them having a good job and livable wage (if not better). Where I live one can attend the community college for CHEAP and it has always been that way. An AA/AS only costs about $1980, and that is without any of the assistance programs out there. Depending on your chosen major, you can walk away with a degree that will land you a job starting at $60-$70k a year. Not all majors will have that result, but if a person does a little research and chooses wisely, it is rather easy.

Others can go to trade school and the military is a fine way to obtain skills and experience that many in the private sector do not have, and not to mention, that the GI Bill pretty much hands you a free Bachelor's degree.


of course it is exploited and always will be as humanity is corrupt I just meant in itself it is not evil and socialist policy should be for the greater good. however, political correctness and people being rewarded for laziness is obviously wrong.

This is the problem with socialism. It tries to apply idealism to the real world. It will never ever work because the sinful nature of man will always, always, always get in the way.

TimothyK
January 21st, 2012, 06:01 PM
How can you possibly question my sincerity? It is because I am sincere and want to know the truth sincerely that I am asking these questions. I do n ot jusdge you personally as you do me! I am shocked that Christians behave like this!

I haven't judged you personally. But indeed I question your sincerity because you're contradicting and making a hypocrite of yourself here and your accusations against Christians in general and myself personally are completely unfounded.


I do n ot jusdge you personally as you do me! I am shocked that Christians behave like this!


Timothy I'm not saying Obama is balanced- just most arguments here are not.

So you're passing judgement on Christian behavior (very poorly at that), judging honest general discourse as extremist with no elaboration or specifics to that claim, you know, just because you say so and you're making yourself the judge of whether all the folks here on RRF are engaged in 'balanced' argument concerning an imbalanced and decidedly pointed individual. Never mind the fact that this forum isn't a platform for debate so much as Christian fellowship.

Kettle, meet teapot.

That's just the topic at hand.
Your fondness of socialist ideology in an entirely different mess all on it's own dear friend.

I am reasonably suspicious. That said, your walk with the Lord or lack thereof is your responsibility and you will ultimately deal with God and your eternal fate be it in Christ Jesus or without. Whichever one that is being up to you alone.

If you are my sister in Christ, we have much to talk about! If you aren't, I hope you might be. If you don't like me, I won't trouble you either way. I'm nobody. I'm just trying to tell you the truth.

Alison
January 21st, 2012, 06:07 PM
This is the problem with socialism. It tries to apply idealism to the real world. It will never ever work because the sinful nature of man will always, always, always get in the way.


Hi Jane, I absolutely agree with the above quote that socialism will never work as it is too idealistic. But I'm sorry I can't agree that most people can get on ok and get good jobs and improve. I teach teenagers with learning needs who will never ever manage a college degree. I also teach kids with social and emotional needs usually coming from homes of drug addicts and totally chaotic families. Very few of these kids can get themselves out of this lifestyle as they are so very disadvantaged to start off with. They are not starting from an equal playing field. Surely to help these people is what Christ wants? We are just blessed with either brains or opportunities and we should thank God for that instead of feeling superior to others.
Incidentally, I am not a socialist but feel that to decry socialist policies as evil as some people on this thread are doing is extreme.