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HeIsEnough
January 23rd, 2012, 01:49 PM
Ok I usually just lurk but I feel a bit inclined to comment...I def feel that after reading through the thread that the tone of A LOT of the responses the thread starter got was quite a bit stiff and harsh. Yes I understand that she holds a different view from the members of this board but she was not someone coming in TRYING to be attacked. Just because she doesn't immediately down her opinion does not mean it will never change. Many of the people in this thread have been in the word for years thus understand their stance against socialism, and Obama. We understand that... But the thread starter came in admitting they were not sure how Obama was percieved. Some of the examples were really strong personal statements versus actually explaining the answers she was looking for. Just saying overall... Love didn't seem patient or very kind here. Gotta give people a chance to digest everything.Read the first several pages again ST, I see strong opinions stated, and resulting passive aggressive behavior by the OP. That's gonna get a strong response.

onehappymeg
January 23rd, 2012, 02:05 PM
I don't see where anyone was being nasty to the OP. Just because truth is hard to hear doesn't make it "mean." Obama doesn't align himself with Christ; therefore, naturally, he is of the world. And we all know where that leads. A good study of scripture makes it plain.

Since when did people become such crybabies?

I am really tired of people complaining about this or that not being "fair." For goodness sakes, if God were "fair" then we'd all be in HELL.

Thank God that God is NOT FAIR! He chooses whom to show grace; He's God.

Whew... done ranting.

Robinbobbin
January 23rd, 2012, 03:17 PM
I don't see where anyone was being nasty to the OP. Just because truth is hard to hear doesn't make it "mean." Obama doesn't align himself with Christ; therefore, naturally, he is of the world. And we all know where that leads. A good study of scripture makes it plain.

Since when did people become such crybabies?

I am really tired of people complaining about this or that not being "fair." For goodness sakes, if God were "fair" then we'd all be in HELL.

Thank God that God is NOT FAIR! He chooses whom to show grace; He's God.

Whew... done ranting.

Meg, calling into question whether a person is in fact saved or not when they do not know much about someone like Obama and are not even from the United States, as some individuals on this board did is pretty harsh. She isn't from the United States. She's from the UK. Why would we expect her to know all about Obama? Most people on this board know very little about European leaders - I'm sure Alison knows a lot more about the political stances of leaders in the UK and leaders in most of Europe than anyone from the US does. How would we feel if she immediatly questioned our salvation because we are ignorant of their policies?

A little kindness can often go a lot further towards educating someone than using a sledgehammer.

Gideon300
January 23rd, 2012, 03:35 PM
Meg, calling into question whether a person is in fact saved or not when they do not know much about someone like Obama and are not even from the United States, as some individuals on this board did is pretty harsh.

You are specifically talking about me. I didn't accuse her of not being a Christian. I simply asked if she was due to what she had written. Also, she is new and no one knew her or had seen anything from her. If I'm speaking to a non-believer they aren't going to understand my stance or anyone else's here on Obama. So, I ask, why was that harsh?

I know quite a bit about the politics of Europe, for that matter.

IbelieveinJesus
January 23rd, 2012, 03:45 PM
My .02 in regards to the op..

I don't know Obama's heart. I don't know if he is secretly a Socialist or Muslim, or any thing else.

However, I can look at the policies he has advocated over the last three years, as well as his actions, and I can judge them as terrible for the long term well being of this country, and her citizens.

I think that is a shame. I didn't vote for him, as I thought that he would govern as a left wing liberal, and be very partisan, but I did have hopes when he was elected, that perhaps I was wrong, and he would be truly a unifier, a moderate Democrat, who would suceed in pulling the Reps, Dems together to do some good for the country, especially in regards to entitlements.

Unfortunately it didn't take long for him to demonstrate (I agree with others that the stimulus was his "original sin" in this regard) that his words along these lines, meant nothing.

He has governed, as myself and other Republicans have feared, as a partisan left wing liberal, and the country is, and will be, far worse off because of it.

-Ted

Robinbobbin
January 23rd, 2012, 04:06 PM
You are specifically talking about me. I didn't accuse her of not being a Christian. I simply asked if she was due to what she had written. Also, she is new and no one knew her or had seen anything from her. If I'm speaking to a non-believer they aren't going to understand my stance or anyone else's here on Obama. So, I ask, why was that harsh?

I know quite a bit about the politics of Europe, for that matter.

Then Gideon, you are not the average bear if you know a lot about the political stances of most European leaders. Most U.S. Citizens do not, myself included. And, many Europeans only know the little bit they read about Obama in their newspapers/news websites of choice, which are extremely left-leaning.

The way I read your post, I read it as calling into question whether or not she is Saved. I apologize if I read it wrong, but if someone called into question whether or not I was Saved because of my ignorance on a topic like European politics, I'd be pretty hurt. Maybe she was a troll, but its also possible she was asking the question in earnest and as a newbie to the board, she might not understand yet just how divisive Obama actually is and how ultra left wing his policies are.

Gideon300
January 23rd, 2012, 04:26 PM
The way I read your post, I read it as calling into question whether or not she is Saved. I apologize if I read it wrong, but if someone called into question whether or not I was Saved because of my ignorance on a topic like European politics, I'd be pretty hurt. Maybe she was a troll, but its also possible she was asking the question in earnest and as a newbie to the board, she might not understand yet just how divisive Obama actually is and how ultra left wing his policies are.

Robin, what you are insinuating is that I already understood that Alison was saved, and then, I called into question her salvation. You can't call into question someone's salvation without first having the knowledge that the person is saved, which I did not. I asked the question due to her response to my post, #21 in this thread. Alison responds with this:


Wow Gideon, strong stuff.
Are you sure you're not all being a bit paranoid? Surely he isn't evil? But to be honest, I don't know, that's why I'm asking you Americans. From my point of view, without paranoia, he did seem to appear from nowhere and he does seem to be very politically correct which is probably evil but there must be good surely; he does seem moral???

Now, she is not actually asking if I am paranoid, she is insinuating I am in fact paranoid, this first question is rhetorical. She ends with stating she thinks he is moral. Don't let her question marks sway you because she left the board stating this:


Ok you've got me beat! I have only lasted a day! I'm leaving the forum.

Most of you that have conversed with have been horrible and unloving and you question my salvation! God forgive you for your narrow-minded bigotry and down right nastiness to someone who dares to question your right-wing views. The Lord teaches to love others and unfortunately I see little love coming from here. Thank the Lord that there are some decent Godly people who have replied to me and not questioned my salvation or rammed their own political agenda down my throat but merely tried to help my sincere questions.
In future I will be very careful when fellowshipping and debating with Americans, I am so very hurt at the way you have reacted to what was genuine interest and concern about Obama not about his political ideologies! I am also worried; if this is how you treat a sister in the Lord with whom you will share eternity, how more hateful will you be to non-believers who need our love in this troubled world and at this pivotal time. Some people can't pick themselves up from the scrap heap but I thought Jesus called us to help them up, Jane; He certainly does that, thankfully!

Goodbye

Not exactly a post that stated she was truly here to find answers. This reads to me as a hard leftist that despises people on the right politically. She accuses us of ramming our political agenda down her throat when that is exactly what she asked us to do. She claims she just wanted to know about Obama, but not his political ideologies...what else is there we would know, he is the main politician in the US?? She tells us we are unloving while at the same time calling us narrow-minded. She basically states may God forgive us for our conservative views.

Robin, you have been here long enough to know that the board, especially the political forum, gets a good share of non-believers that come here to make trouble and poke at us whacky Christians. They tend to lob things at us like, you are Christians you are supposed to love no matter what, they call us judgmental, and hypocrites. I'm not saying Alison is one of these people for sure, and I hope she does have a relationship with Jesus, but she responded like the typical non-believer here to poke fun at the "fundies."

clemson
January 23rd, 2012, 04:40 PM
Muslim
Israel hater
Anti USA
Wants to destroy USA
Born in Kenya
Probably hates me by now.
Nothing good about him.
Not even his wife's make people healthy school lunch program
Nor his vacations
Nor his dog
Nothing.
Hit my raw-est nerve.
That man drives me nuts.
Nothing good about him!
At all!
He is a failure.

Jacinth
January 23rd, 2012, 07:02 PM
Alison was using all the typical troll buzzwords/phrases. Her last post only sealed it. :idunno

Alison was being questioned because of her passiveness about Obama's stance on abortion, homosexuality, communistic promotion, etc...
....not knowing a lot about American politics has nothing to do with morals as listed above. You don't have to be American to understand God's position on those things. :scratch

onehappymeg
January 23rd, 2012, 07:53 PM
Meg, calling into question whether a person is in fact saved or not when they do not know much about someone like Obama and are not even from the United States, as some individuals on this board did is pretty harsh. She isn't from the United States. She's from the UK. Why would we expect her to know all about Obama? Most people on this board know very little about European leaders - I'm sure Alison knows a lot more about the political stances of leaders in the UK and leaders in most of Europe than anyone from the US does. How would we feel if she immediatly questioned our salvation because we are ignorant of their policies?

A little kindness can often go a lot further towards educating someone than using a sledgehammer.

Robbinbobbin,

I stand by my assessment of the first four pages of the post. As far as crybabies and "fair" that was addressing the stance of the OP's apparently and obvious love of socialism. Not only that, several non-offensive examples were given as to why socialism isn't a good system of gov't. She had questions, she was given answers, and then attacked the people, not the arguments, as "extreme" etc. I agree, kindness can go a long way. However, one can also show discernment to know whether or not someone is sincerely seeking to know more about the faith, and our stance on issues and WHY, vs. coming to pick a fight.

Meg