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felixthecat
May 5th, 2007, 01:47 PM
The CFL mercury nightmare

(break a compact fluorescent, face $2000 in cleanup costs)

Financial Post (Canada) ^ | April 28, 2007 | Steven Milloy

How much money does it take to screw in a compact fluorescent light bulb? About US$4.28 for the bulb and labour -- unless you break the bulb. Then you, like Brandy Bridges of Ellsworth, Maine, could be looking at a cost of about US$2,004.28, which doesn't include the costs of frayed nerves and risks to health.

Sound crazy? Perhaps no more than the stampede to ban the incandescent light bulb in favour of compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs).

According to an April 12 article in The Ellsworth American, Bridges had the misfortune of breaking a CFL during installation in her daughter's bedroom: It dropped and shattered on the carpeted floor.

Aware that CFLs contain potentially hazardous substances, Bridges called her local Home Depot for advice. The store told her that the CFL contained mercury and that she should call the Poison Control hotline, which in turn directed her to the Maine Department of Environmental Protection.

The DEP sent a specialist to Bridges' house to test for mercury contamination. The specialist found mercury levels in the bedroom in excess of six times the state's "safe" level for mercury contamination of 300 billionths of a gram per cubic meter. The DEP specialist recommended that Bridges call an environmental cleanup firm, which reportedly gave her a "low-ball" estimate of US$2,000 to clean up the room. The room then was sealed off with plastic and Bridges began "gathering finances" to pay for the US$2,000 cleaning. Reportedly, her insurance company wouldn't cover the cleanup costs because mercury is a pollutant.

Given that the replacement of incandescent bulbs with CFLs in the average U.S. household is touted as saving as much as US$180 annually in energy costs -- and assuming that Bridges doesn't break any more CFLs -- it will take her more than 11 years to recoup the cleanup costs in the form of energy savings.

The potentially hazardous CFL is being pushed by companies such as Wal-Mart, which wants to sell 100 million CFLs at five times the cost of incandescent bulbs during 2007, and, surprisingly, environmentalists.

It's quite odd that environmentalists have embraced the CFL, which cannot now and will not in the foreseeable future be made without mercury. Given that there are about five billion light bulb sockets in North American households, we're looking at the possibility of creating billions of hazardous waste sites such as the Bridges' bedroom.

More here:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=aa7796aa-e4a5-4c06-be84-b62dee548fda&p=2

In short, CFL's are more expensive, incandescent bulbs. CFL's emit light that is inferior to incandescent bulbs and CFL's become a nightmare to dispose of if you break them. CFL are NOT made in the U.S. because of being an "environmental risk". They are made in India and China where they have no envornomental standards to speak of.

SumSam
May 5th, 2007, 01:50 PM
:doh :doh

I spent the past two years replacing all the bulbs in my apartment with CFLs...now they tell me!!

:(

Old 33
May 5th, 2007, 02:49 PM
I spent the past two years replacing all the bulbs in my apartment with CFLs...now they tell me!!
Just don't drop one.

Has your electric bill gone down any?

Zaphnathpaaneah
May 5th, 2007, 03:01 PM
When's the last time you fed your kids Tuna?

:idunno

Inprayer
May 5th, 2007, 04:16 PM
CFL bulbs do have the misfortune of containing mercury. However the light has a spectrum that is like daylight and helps to banish the winter "blues". We were able to buy these bulbs for $1.00 ea on special and we filled the house. Just be careful. Would seem to me that if these bulbs are so dangerous that the glass tubing used could be thicker. But hey I suppose that would be too simple a solution for the engineers.

As for mercury ...as a child we would sometimes "play" with a mercury "blob".. pretty cool, and I'm still here. Am I supposed to be dead?

WiseSheep
May 5th, 2007, 05:54 PM
They are amazing bulbs and last forever. Got some that have been burning for right at a year and a half now on a timer.

Mercury or no mercury, mine ain't movin'.

SumSam
May 5th, 2007, 09:39 PM
Yup Old 33, my bill has gone down by 25% atleast. :nod

And yeah, when I was a kid, I broke an old thermometer, and played around with the shiny blob for hours and hours...what gives? :lol2 I suppose mercury in elemental form isn't that dangerous. Its those oxides and other compounds of mercury, they're the ones that can get into your system and cause trouble. Let me see if I can google up some more info on this.

TeachMe
May 5th, 2007, 09:44 PM
Yup Old 33, my bill has gone down by 25% atleast. :nod

And yeah, when I was a kid, I broke an old thermometer, and played around with the shiny blob for hours and hours...what gives? :lol2 I suppose mercury in elemental form isn't that dangerous. Its those oxides and other compounds of mercury, they're the ones that can get into your system and cause trouble. Let me see if I can google up some more info on this.

I did that, too, and I'm still here, with apparently no effects.

sewserious
May 6th, 2007, 08:55 AM
Whatever happened to just turning out lights when you don't need them? That can and will save just as much electricity as using CFLs, which are inferior to incandescents. I use incandescent Reveal bulbs which give a much better light than CFLs OR regular incandescents, last longer than regular incandescents, and are not nearly as expensive as CFLs.

Another way to save electricity is to use lamps with three-way bulbs, use the lowest setting possible for the task you are doing. Watching TV? Use the lowest setting (usually 50 or 75 watts) setting; Normal conversation, normal tasks use the middle setting (usually 100 watts) and for reading or tasks that require more intense light use the high setting (usually 100 to 150 watts). This will save a great deal of electricity and is MUCH safer for the environment.

This is just like the "coal pollutes when making electricity so let's us nuclear energy" thoughts. Yeah, like nuclear energy is really environmentallly friendly! :scratch :idunno

Inprayer
May 6th, 2007, 12:27 PM
I am Inprayer's wife, and I too broke a thermometer ( as a child)
and played with the mecury for hours also and am still here :scratch

What's up with that?

There are 4 of us now ( who did that), and all 4 of us are still here....shouldn't we have died long ago?

Inprayer's wife