Daniel 12:2 Everlasting Contempt

[Crusader]

Daniel 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt."

What does it mean "everlasting contempt"? Is it God's contempt for them, or their contempt for God?

[Hootmon]

What does it mean "everlasting contempt"? Is it God's contempt for them, or their contempt for God?God's contempt for them.

Contempt is in the 'eye of the beholder', IMO.
H1860
דּראון / דּראון
derâ'ôn / dêrâ'ôn
BDB Definition:
1) aversion, abhorrence
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from an unused root (meaning to repulse)
Same Word by TWOT Number: 450aThe same word is used here...

"Then they will go forth and look On the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm will not die And their fire will not be quenched; And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind."
(Isa 66:24)

Those viewing the corpses are the ones who are abhorred...

[Joel]

H1860
דּראון דּראון derâ'ôn dêrâ'ôn
der-aw-one', day-raw-one'
From an unused root (meaning to repulse); an object of aversion: - abhorring, contempt.

BDB Definition:
1) aversion, abhorrence
Same Word by TWOT Number: 450a

Compare translations for clarity.




'.. some to eternal life and some to eternal shame.'
'.. Some of them will be given eternal life, and others will receive nothing but eternal shame and disgrace.'
'.. Some of them will wake up to have life forever. But some will wake up to have shame and disgrace forever.'
'.. some will enjoy eternal life, and some will suffer eternal disgrace.'
'.. Some will wake up to live forever, but others will wake up to be ashamed and disgraced forever.'

[Crusader]

I read it as God's contempt for the wicked. However, I recognize it could be interpreted both ways.

Somebody wants to label me a heretic because I see it as God's contempt for the wicked, that I'm changing and adding to the word of God, lol. She won't even concede the possibility that it's not man's contempt for God.

[Crusader]

The same word is used here...

"Then they will go forth and look On the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm will not die And their fire will not be quenched; And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind."
(Isa 66:24)

Those viewing the corpses are the ones who are abhorred...

Hmmm... interesting.

I guess to say it is God's abhorrance is limiting it then. Here we see they are an abhorrance to mankind, but it may also be to everyone; to God, to mankind, to angels and all of creation.

[Hootmon]

I guess to say it is God's abhorrance is limiting it then. Here we see they are an abhorrance to mankind, but it may also be to everyone; to God, to mankind, to angels and all of creation.Quite possibly.

My point is that 'abhorrence' or 'contempt' is something that the observer experiences.

[LaMontre]

It does seem that hell becomes an object lesson.

Sort of like, "Remember what God did to them, lest you think His patience with sin to be infinite."

[paw]

Daniel 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt."

What does it mean "everlasting contempt"? Is it God's contempt for them, or their contempt for God?

Daniel 12:2 and Isaiah 26:19 speak of the resurection of old testament saints at the end of the tribulation. Saints to everlasting life. Unbelievers to everlasting contempt to be resurected at the end of the millenium to be judged at the great white throne judgment.

[Surrender]

Daniel 12:2 and Isaiah 26:19 speak of the resurection of old testament saints at the end of the tribulation. Saints to everlasting life. Unbelievers to everlasting contempt to be resurected at the end of the millenium to be judged at the great white throne judgment.Sorry, I'm a little confused on this. Are you saying Scripture indicates that the everlasting contempt is limited? IOW, it goes on UNTIL the GWTJ? So, after the GWTJ, what will it (the everlasting contempt) be? Lake of Fire? So, Lake of Fire is NOT everlasting contempt?

Sorry, just a little confused on this area.

[paw]

Sorry, I'm a little confused on this. Are you saying Scripture indicates that the everlasting contempt is limited? IOW, it goes on UNTIL the GWTJ? So, after the GWTJ, what will it (the everlasting contempt) be? Lake of Fire? So, Lake of Fire is NOT everlasting contempt?

Sorry, just a little confused on this area.

No, I'm not saying the everlasting contempt is limited. The lake of fire is an eternal state that all unbelievers will endure.