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Angel001
November 15th, 2009, 02:54 PM
I understand that Babylon will be rebuilt, is being rebuilt now, in the original location in the Mideast.

My question on this Babylon is how long it will take for it to become the vital nerve center of the Antichrist that it is supposed to be in the tribulation?

Rev Chapters 17 and 18.

Yep..Babylon,Iraq is being rebuilt...and God said it would after a whirlwind war. He also said it will be destroyed ,that the rebuilding would just be fuel for the fire.
So as far as MB being the USA...I will keep an open mind. Why did John refer to it as Mystery Babylon? He knew Babylon and it was still a vital city at his time,although not what it was in ancient days.
Why at the end does he say Heaven and Earth rejoice at the fall of Babylon ,Iraq and to sink it into the river in Jeremiah...but for MB Earth laments and Heaven rejoices at the fall of it. Also..MB is sunk into the sea. Those subtle differences are there for a reason....but it is unclear why.jmho

steve78
November 15th, 2009, 02:59 PM
Yep..Babylon,Iraq is being rebuilt...and God said it would after a whirlwind war. He also said it will be destroyed ,that the rebuilding would just be fuel for the fire.
So as far as MB being the USA...I will keep an open mind. Why did John refer to it as Mystery Babylon? He knew Babylon and it was still a vital city at his time,although not what it was in ancient days.
Why at the end does he say Heaven and Earth rejoice at the fall of Babylon ,Iraq and to sink it into the river in Jeremiah...but for MB Earth laments and Heaven rejoices at the fall of it. Also..MB is sunk into the sea. Those subtle differences are there for a reason....but it is unclear why.jmho

In my humble opinion, I think John referred to it as a Mystery Babylon simply because it would be like Babylon was in those days with their towers, however, the word mystery is key here as I think he meant "unknown" until the proper time period which "could be" now. Any other suggestions? It is my only intention to seek the truth and so I appreciate all feedback! God Bless!

kgreen20
November 15th, 2009, 03:07 PM
The Book of Revelation gives some descriptions of the city of "Babylon." It will sit on 7 hills. It will have a history of shedding the blood of the saints and the prophets. And it will be located where people on ships can watch it burn when it's destroyed. The literal Babylon does not fit those descriptions, but Rome does. Therefore, I believe the city will be Rome. Since it was the political and economic capital of the old Roman Empire, it makes sense that it would also be the political and economic capital of the revived version during the Tribulation, and the world wouldn't have to wait years for it to be rebuilt either before it could be used for that purpose.

Mark777
November 15th, 2009, 03:24 PM
The Book of Revelation gives some descriptions of the city of "Babylon." It will sit on 7 hills. It will have a history of shedding the blood of the saints and the prophets. And it will be located where people on ships can watch it burn when it's destroyed. The literal Babylon does not fit those descriptions, but Rome does. Therefore, I believe the city will be Rome. Since it was the political and economic capital of the old Roman Empire, it makes sense that it would also be the political and economic capital of the revived version during the Tribulation, and the world wouldn't have to wait years for it to be rebuilt either before it could be used for that purpose.

Dave Hunt and Chuck Missler have a very friendly and long standing debate going on about this very thing. They have mutual respect for each other but differing opinions.

I find both sides of the argument very interesting. :nod

Traveling Through
November 15th, 2009, 03:44 PM
Dave Hunt and Chuck Missler have a very friendly and long standing debate going on about this very thing. They have mutual respect for each other but differing opinions.

I find both sides of the argument very interesting. :nod

I have doubts about the Mystery Babylon being the original Babylon simply because I see it taking some time for Babylon, Iraq to build up the influence it should have during the Trib.

Of course, the same thing holds true for Rome.

tooty
November 15th, 2009, 03:53 PM
I don't "know" where/what Mystery Babylon will be, but I'm pretty certain Mystery Babylon does not = Babylon proper.

steve78
November 15th, 2009, 03:59 PM
I have doubts about the Mystery Babylon being the original Babylon simply because I see it taking some time for Babylon, Iraq to build up the influence it should have during the Trib.

Of course, the same thing holds true for Rome.

Agreed, but what about the U.S with New York and its towers? Like the twin towers. Go take a look at ancient babylon and then look at the twin towers. Also this "new babylon" will be surrounded by walls of water and they will all speak ONE language, possibly English?

Chris
November 15th, 2009, 04:02 PM
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ATYCLB
November 16th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Iraq seeks to lure tourists

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ATYCLB
November 16th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Scholars to Discuss Modern World’s Links to Babylon
11-15-09
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2009/November/theuae_November454.xml&section=theuae&col=

It was called the City of God and the birthplace of civilisation. It is said that a tower to reach Heaven was being built here.

The first ever written literature was found in this land. Some 4,000 years ago this city’s scholars divided the day into 24 hours, each hour into 60 minutes and each minute into 60 seconds. One of the seven ancient wonders of the world, the Suspended Gardens, existed here.

Babylon, the city of the Genesis, is historically and culturally one of the richest and most fascinating subjects of any scholar’s thesis and its influence on language, literature, culture, history and even law and politics is up for discussion at a Paris Sorbonne University — Abu Dhabi’s (PSUAD) conference.

‘Babel, Babylon: real space and mythical place’ has been put together by Professor Bernard Franco, head of French and Comparative Literature studies at PSUAD, taking place at the Emirates Writers’ Union (EWU), National Theatre in Abu Dhabi, on November 17-19.

“The starting point is the study of the geographical space of Babylon, in a cultural and historical context, in relation with the myth of Babel. The focus will be on the depth of this relation: Babel - Babylon,” explained Professor Franco.