Big Bubba - The Holidays Threads Merged

[Evangelist16]

Yes very true. God does know our hearts. But what does a Bunny and a egg have anything to do with the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ? Or a Christmas Tree with Santa Claus, how does that pertain to the birth of my Savior? It doesn't, but when we support these things, regardless if we worship them. We support the Pagan influence, and submit ourselves too it.

[cocopea9052]

Kinda off topic, but this makes me think of a lot of the Rap Artists who wear expensive way way over-sized diamonds & gold crosses on their necks. But you won't find them representing Jesus in anyway. And some of the stuff that comes out of their mouths they'd better represent themselves if they wore a big huge gold & diamond garbage can or dumpster...:lol2 (not all, but you know what I am saying)

I love what the cross stands for and sometimes I wear a little one around my neck, but what I find interesting is that you need no symbol to represent evil--anymore than you need one to represent Christ.

[Evangelist16]

Very true Cocopea!

[1angel4u]

Yes very true. God does know our hearts. But what does a Bunny and a egg have anything to do with the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ? Or a Christmas Tree with Santa Claus, how does that pertain to the birth of my Savior? It doesn't, but when we support these things, regardless if we worship them. We support the Pagan influence, and submit ourselves too it.

I disagree. We do NOT support the pagan influence. We over-rode their holidays with our holy days.

As a Christian, my kids (now in their 20's) knew/know Jesus was the reason for the season of Christmas! They also know He was probably born in September. So what? :idunno People celebrate birthdays on different days all the time!

Can you tell me those still-lost folks, who don't know Jesus, worship their Christmas tree or Santa?

I do believe with them seeing manger scenes and ad's from churches about Jesus' birth, it's much better than what they're being fed - which is bad - or nothing.

A tiny seed is planted for the Holy Spirit to water.

[Evangelist16]

Yes, 1angel4u, you can see this. But those of the world cannot. And when they find out, oh hey Christian celebrate pagan holidays? They laugh, and mock our Lord. They as well call us hypocrites for celebrating, with the knowledge of what the holiday really means. If we have a sun-rise service at church, just because were are speaking of our Lord Jesus Christ doesn't make it not a pagan ritual. Pagans used to celebrate there Sun-God. See here is the thing though 1angel4u. You see all the time Christians slipping up, celebrating a pagan holiday that has definate pagan influence. But you never see a pagan, celebrating a Christian holy day, with Christian influence. If they know better, why don't we?

[1angel4u]

Yes, 1angel4u, you can see this. But those of the world cannot. And when they find out, oh hey Christian celebrate pagan holidays? They laugh, and mock our Lord. They as well call us hypocrites for celebrating, with the knowledge of what the holiday really means. If we have a sun-rise service at church, just because were are speaking of our Lord Jesus Christ doesn't make it not a pagan ritual. Pagans used to celebrate there Sun-God. See here is the thing though 1angel4u. You see all the time Christians slipping up, celebrating a pagan holiday that has definate pagan influence. But you never see a pagan, celebrating a Christian holy day, with Christian influence. If they know better, why don't we?

Evangelist16,

EVERYONE "SLIPS UP" as you put it. We are all sinners, there's no way around it. But believing that Christ's shed blood on the Cross forgave all our sins, once and for all and forever, as long as we accept the free gift from God, is the true way to everlasting life, eternity, heaven.

It is by the name of Jesus Christ...Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we MUST be SAVED. Acts 4:10,12

The mockers, ... we pray for, for they have no clue. 2 Pet. 3:3-5

They will call us hypocrites, because they cannot see the light. They are not the salt or the light. 2 Tim. 3:1-7 2 Tim. 4:3-4 Isa. 5:20

They do not realize that we are not mockers of the Lord! They cannot even see it!

[CatChick]

Yes, 1angel4u, you can see this. But those of the world cannot. And when they find out, oh hey Christian celebrate pagan holidays? They laugh, and mock our Lord. They as well call us hypocrites for celebrating, with the knowledge of what the holiday really means.

Since when has anything a pagan or an atheist said influenced my actions concerning celebrating a holiday?


If we have a sun-rise service at church, just because were are speaking of our Lord Jesus Christ doesn't make it not a pagan ritual. Pagans used to celebrate there Sun-God.

First of all.. that was a double negative and confused my little brain to no end... so if I'm wrong on your opinion.. that is why... BUT... a sunrise service is NOT a pagan ritual by any stretch of the imagination. Pagans worship gods (small "g")... I worship GOD (big G. big O. big D.). There's a big difference there and you know it.


You see all the time Christians slipping up, celebrating a pagan holiday that has definate pagan influence. But you never see a pagan, celebrating a Christian holy day, with Christian influence. If they know better, why don't we?

I am not slipping up because I and my family celebrate the Lord's birth during the Christmas holiday season... I am not slipping up when I celebrate the ressurection of Jesus Christ after three days in the tomb during Easter weekend... my children are only celebrating halloween because they get a ton of free candy and the priveledge of making themselves sick on it one night a year.. and I don't celebrate valentine's day at all. I get my children a little box of candy because everyone gets candy on valentine's day. But in our house it is not a celebration of a man-made saint.

My children know there is no easter bunny or santa claus. They know what we're celebrating during those holidays. However, kids, in general, will only think of what "goodies" they are going to get anyway. It's what we teach them as they grow older that defines what they perceive any holiday to be.

People see in a celebration what they want to see. Nothing you nor I say is going to change what they believe. Prayers can change it. God can change it. Nothing else. I stand outside the boundaries and look at the commercialism... which is mainly what all American holidays have become.. one giant sales pitch. It is unfortunate that not only do the general populace not see the pagan side of these holidays anymore... they don't see Christ either. And the latter is the most disturbing of all.

[LisaJo]

It's very illuminating when you're a 3rd or a 4th party observer to some conversations on RR. "Holidays" seem to be one of those topics that people have extreme emotions about. Why?

Holidays are passed down from generation to generation. They are embedded very deeply in our psych from our childhood and from those memories attached to them. Tradition has a very powerful stonghold on us.

You can be self-righteous about the way you celebrate these holidays. You can take what was once a pagan tradition and comform it in your mind and heart, to mean something else entirely. You can justify it by saying "The Truth" overrides all pagan traditions and I believe Our Lord is very capable of using ANYTHING for His glory. . .but caution is just as advised.

The Word of Truth has many stories regarding Paganism and adhereing to the traditions of the neighboring nations around Israel. Israel did not heed the warning. King Solomon, as wise as he was, did not notice the erosion.
Our Word also continues to warn of paganism throughout the New Testament as well. Why? Why did Our Lord concern Himself with paganism over and over again to the profits and the apostles? What is it about Paganism that is such a problem?

Well, I would advise all on this board to study the word. Study the origin of Paganism. Study the ones who adhered to it, where it spread, how the words of gods were changed in different geographical areas. Study the architecture involved. Study the History if nothing else.

For instance, does anyone know what the 40 days of lent is? It began as 40 days of weeping for Tammuz. Another god. By changing the words, the catholic church still celebrates this event. There is a reason why Babylon is called "Mystery Babylon". It's because it's hidden. Insidious. Ezekial sees women weeping for Tammuz at the Temple in a vision from God. Our Lord calls this an abomination. Ask yourself why Our Lord is so adament about paganism. He knows that through traditions, it grips those that are brought up honoring those things they know not!

If you want to know the truth, it is out there for you find. It is in our Word consistently throughout the Old and New Testaments. If there is any doubt in your mind, seek an answer and The Word. If you're so sure of yourself, then don't. The choice is up to each individual and parent on what they teach their children.

But remember, He says, "For lack of knowlege my people perish."

[Christina]

Yes, 1angel4u, you can see this. But those of the world cannot. And when they find out, oh hey Christian celebrate pagan holidays? They laugh, and mock our Lord. They as well call us hypocrites for celebrating, with the knowledge of what the holiday really means. If we have a sun-rise service at church, just because were are speaking of our Lord Jesus Christ doesn't make it not a pagan ritual. Pagans used to celebrate there Sun-God. See here is the thing though 1angel4u. You see all the time Christians slipping up, celebrating a pagan holiday that has definate pagan influence. But you never see a pagan, celebrating a Christian holy day, with Christian influence. If they know better, why don't we?

Evangelist, I understand what you're trying to say but I have to respectfully disagree with you. The majority of non-believers don't even know about pagan worship in it's definition, they don't know the history of Christmas or Easter as pagan holidays...lol, most non-believers although they insert Santa into their traditions...when asked what Christmas is celebrated for, will STILL tell you it's to celebrate the birth of Christ. I think you're giving non-believers too much credit to know the history of where Christmas or the Christmas tree originated from or that a "sun-rise" service is associated with worshipping a "sun god". You're projecting your own education and assuming that the majority of non-believers know that these holidays were traditionally pagan holidays. On top of that, the whole reason Christians began celebrating these holidays...Christmas and Easter WAS to try to counteract the pagan worship and instead claimed that these were the days that we would celebrate Christ's birth, death and resurrection....I'd say our Christian values made more of an impact than the pagans did.....if you don't believe me, go out into the street downtown and just randomly ask 200 people why Christmas is celebrated (it's purpose) or why Easter is celebrated......you put out alot of educational words but I bet you dollars to donuts that the averge "joe shmoe" still ties Christmas to Christ's birth and Easter to His death and resurrection.

I'm trying to be nice but there's no need for :soapbox here:hug

[Evangelist16]

Very true Christina, I totatlly agree with you. Someone that has not been educated in the holidays (that were once known as holy days), wouldn't know that Christmas Tree is actually talked about in the book of Jeremiah. Or as well that Easter is the celebration of Ashteroth. Those are people who have not been educated, so I would fully agree with you. They don't know the difference. But we do, so why do we celebrate? For one, Sunday isn't even the Sabbath Day, so why do we celebrate Easter on a Sunday? Saturday is the Sabbath Day. The Bible speak of Pagans, would cut down a tree, then put ornaments on it. This is all spoken of in the Old Testament (1st Testament). Do you know as well, that the Asherah poles, spoken of in the Old Testament, represent a modern-day dancing club pole? This has all been fortold in the Old Testament, and looked what happened too those who followed these gods? As you can say, well I celebrate Jesus's birth. The birth of our Savior is a great thing. It is an amazing thing. But the Holy Days we should be celebrating are: Passover, Feast of Tabernacles, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Weeks, Trumpets, and Atonement. There is only one difference between me and a Messianic Jew. The Messianic Jew is one of God's chosen, where as I have been adopted into God's family as a Gentile. Jesus didn't come here to get rid of the Holy Days, he came to fulfill the Holy Days. Like Passover, then when he returns we shall celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. We must look back to the Jewish roots of our Savior.