Big Bubba - The Holidays Threads Merged

[KitsapGirl]

I don't see the contradiction?

If I do not feel convicted about taking my kids trick or treating I will.

If you do feel convicted about taking your kids trick or treating than do not.

I am not scared of halloween, its pagan roots, symbolism, etc. If my kids want to dress up and get candy then I will take them. However, if a person cannot take their kids trick or treating on halloween night, for whatever, reason then don't. That is all I was getting at.

When you get right down to it. There is nothing inherently wrong with a child dressing up and recieving candy on a designated night ( i am not talking about halloween pranks).

However, if someone cannot get past the druid roots of the day, and all of the alleged "evil power" and such that it possesses then fine. Not participating is clearly up to them.

I was hoping this thread wouldn't end up as an arguement...but it seems that it has.

"I'm not scared of Halloween"...wht we're talking about is not fear based...it's knowledge based...God has pressed our hearts to share what we KNOW. Halloween was and currently IS a holy day for satanists, wiccans, and other occultic groups. I cannot participate in such a holiday, and I feel compelled to tell everyone who will listen the truth.

[The Learner]

[QUOTE=NovaStorm;230787]eh but I usually keep that in actual context as in just regarding food and eating sacrifices to idols which food is something created by God for good. Out of context seems to imply that a Christian can just do anything they want and not reap any repercussions.


1 Corinthians 8:

1 Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. 2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. 3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.
4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.
9 But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. 10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols? 11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.


I would have a hard time believing that while many verses in the Bible have universal truths attached to them that this would be one that was only for the Corinthians. The whole point of this verse is to remind the believer to be sensitive to his conscious, and I just do not see how we should only be sensitive to our conscious regarding meat sacrificed to idols. Especially since this would only be culturally relevant for another 300 or so years.

As far as halloween not being created by God, well aren't all days created by God? Just because some druids attached special meaning to one day out of the year does not mean that they defiled something that God has made.

[The Learner]

I was hoping this thread wouldn't end up as an arguement...but it seems that it has.

"I'm not scared of Halloween"...wht we're talking about is not fear based...it's knowledge based...God has pressed our hearts to share what we KNOW. Halloween was and currently IS a holy day for satanists, wiccans, and other occultic groups. I cannot participate in such a holiday, and I feel compelled to tell everyone who will listen the truth.


I don't think that this has necessarily become an argument just because not everyone agrees.

And again I know what halloween is. And it is only what it is because of ancient superstition. Wiccans and satanist and so forth practice it because of the goofy druids and their goofy superstitions. The day is no more evil than the significance that you assign to it. You might as well have the attitude about everything in the world, since it is the domain of Satan anyway. But I do not because I am God's son.

[AllforHim]

I don't think that this has necessarily become an argument just because not everyone agrees.

And again I know what halloween is. And it is only what it is because of ancient superstition. Wiccans and satanist and so forth practice it because of the goofy druids and their goofy superstitions. The day is no more evil than the significance that you assign to it. You might as well have the attitude about everything in the world, since it is the domain of Satan anyway. But I do not because I am God's son.

:hug My mother was part of a witches coven when I was young and I witnessed some of the things they did at Halloween :shocked Things so demonic that it scarred me for years. Only the blood and love of Jesus was able to remove the hold these things had on my life. The things that they do at this time of year are evil and I praise God for His mercy that saved me from the clutches of satan. I cannot pretend that these things dont happen because I have seen them with my own eyes. :ohno

This halloween I will be praying for those caught up in this satanic stuff, it is very very real and very very wrong. For me personally I could not take part in any halloween promotion however light hearted, for me it would be an insult to my Savior. Maybe it is fine for others who haven't been saved from this sort of thing :idunno I dont know, its always been a part of my life. Thankfully not now though!!! Thank you my precious Lord!!!! :pray You are worthy of all my praise!!! :yeah

[The Learner]

:hug My mother was part of a witches coven when I was young and I witnessed some of the things they did at Halloween :shocked Things so demonic that it scarred me for years. Only the blood and love of Jesus was able to remove the hold these things had on my life. The things that they do at this time of year are evil and I praise God for His mercy that saved me from the cluthes of satan. I cannot pretend that these things dont happen because I have saw them with my own eyes. :ohno

This halloween I will be praying for those caught up in this satanic stuff, it is very very real and very very wrong. For me personally I could not take part in any halloween promotion however light hearted, for me it would be an insult to my Savior. Maybe it is fine for others who haven't been saved from this sort of thing :idunno I dont know, its always been a part of my life. Thankfully not now though!!! Thank you my precious Lord!!!! :pray You are worthy of all my praise!!! :yeah

I can't imagine that how horrible that was for you to experience. I am sure that I would feel much the same way that you do if I had experienced such things. Thank God that you were saved, things could have gone in a much different direction for you.

I know that the occult is a terrible and dangerous thing. Someone very close to me had been opressed by a demon(s) for a long time, just from dabbling with a quiji board.

[NovaStorm]

I would have a hard time believing that while many verses in the Bible have universal truths attached to them that this would be one that was only for the Corinthians. The whole point of this verse is to remind the believer to be sensitive to his conscious, and I just do not see how we should only be sensitive to our conscious regarding meat sacrificed to idols. Especially since this would only be culturally relevant for another 300 or so years.
Yeah, it's about idols and food. I've heard all types of excuses by people thinking this gives them the green light to do anything they want. But it's about idols and food.


As far as halloween not being created by God, well aren't all days created by God? Just because some druids attached special meaning to one day out of the year does not mean that they defiled something that God has made.Sooo... you are saying that the calibration of Halloween is one in the same as the day that it is on, being like one in the same so that God is implicated into Halloween as having created it thus it's perfectly ok to calibrate it?

And who said anything about scratching Oct 31's off the calender if that is what you are implying? To me it's just any other day, but my any other day does not consist of calibrating purely pagan holidays. I recognize this day as a day that this takes place as well as many children being introduced to it which may change their lives and prompt them to follow after Paganism rather than God. Oct 31st in the millennial kingdom will have noting at all to do with Halloween; Halloween will be completely smashed, dead, and buried. :yeah

[wife]

I don't see the contradiction?

If I do not feel convicted about taking my kids trick or treating I will.

If you do feel convicted about taking your kids trick or treating than do not.

I am not scared of halloween, its pagan roots, symbolism, etc. If my kids want to dress up and get candy then I will take them. However, if a person cannot take their kids trick or treating on halloween night, for whatever, reason then don't. That is all I was getting at.

When you get right down to it. There is nothing inherently wrong with a child dressing up and recieving candy on a designated night ( i am not talking about halloween pranks).

However, if someone cannot get past the druid roots of the day, and all of the alleged "evil power" and such that it possesses then fine. Not participating is clearly up to them.

You say that if I have the conviction then that is all right.... but then you say that you have no fear of halloween, you are implying that I do have a fear... It would be better to simply say that you have no problem with the day. I do not fear halloween or the evil associated with that day, but I do hate it and all that it symbolizes.

[MochaMel]

even worse...we waste our time argueing over things that really don't matter...sprinkle or dunk...hymns or contemporary songs...KJV or NIV...meanwhile the enemy has infiltrated, and we call it clean fun...how sad.

Awesome point! Well said. :thumb If we give the devil a playground; he will wreak havoc....

[CHRISTinCheryl]

:hug My mother was part of a witches coven when I was young and I witnessed some of the things they did at Halloween :shocked Things so demonic that it scarred me for years. Only the blood and love of Jesus was able to remove the hold these things had on my life. The things that they do at this time of year are evil and I praise God for His mercy that saved me from the clutches of satan. I cannot pretend that these things dont happen because I have seen them with my own eyes. :ohno

This halloween I will be praying for those caught up in this satanic stuff, it is very very real and very very wrong. For me personally I could not take part in any halloween promotion however light hearted, for me it would be an insult to my Savior. Maybe it is fine for others who haven't been saved from this sort of thing :idunno I dont know, its always been a part of my life. Thankfully not now though!!! Thank you my precious Lord!!!! :pray You are worthy of all my praise!!! :yeah

Im SOOO sorry people dont see the SERIOUSNESS of this EVIL Pagan tradition of man!!! It angers and saddens me and my Saviour!! People are stilled murdered on Oct. 31 as a sacrifice... animals are murdered and sacrificed also..Im sure YESHUA will be weeping on Oct.31. over this :crying

[J4E]

Here we go round the mullberry bush

It just wouldn't be October on RR without the anual Halloween thread. :hehee