Big Bubba - The Holidays Threads Merged

[ZeldaCA]

Growing up Catholic, we kids would trick or treat on October 31st, bring in a haul of candy, and spend the entire next day, because we had no school in honor of All Saints Day, eating our stash! What a concept!:lol2

:lol2 So the "dead people" would be the kids, after eating candy all day and then having a sugar crash! :nod

[His Bride]

:lol2 So the "dead people" would be the kids, after eating candy all day and then having a sugar crash! :nod

:aha From our perspective it was great! Not to mention deadly! Glad I grew up and am saved!

[Daniel1210]

Here's another story about Nov 1st and Nov 2nd:

Here's one version of Halloween origins, this is a Mexican holiday, and the reason for 'treats'. Oddly, Asians have a holiday very similar to this.

Dia De los Muertos

When: November 1st and 2nd

Translated to English, this is "The Day of the Dead". In actuality, Dia De Los Muertos is not one, but two days spent in honor of the dead. The first day celebrates infants and children who have died. This is a group which is believed to have a special place in heaven and are referred to as "Angelitos" or little angels. The second day is in honor of adults who have passed away.

While the culture in the U.S. is to shy away from discussions of death, Mexicans embrace death. They use Dia De Los Muertos as an opportunity to celebrate the death and the life of loved ones and friends they knew in this world. And it is a day of celebration, not a day of mourning. While not alone in the world in celebrating death, it is certainly uncommon and would make someone from the U.S. very uncomfortable at first. Note, the Chinese also celebrate their dead in a similar manner.

Dia De Los Muertos was celebrated in late July and early August by Aztec Indians for thousands of years. When the Spaniards conquered Mexico in the 1500's, they looked upon this celebration as a pagan ritual. In an effort to eliminate it, they moved it to the date of All Saints and All Souls Day in November. The effort failed, and the Aztecs along with all Mexicans continue to celebrate the holiday.

On Dia De Los Muertos, people prepare a feast with many of the favorite dishes of lost loved ones. Pan de Muertos or "Bread of the Dead" is a traditional bread which is baked and eaten during this celebration. Mementos are set out of favorite things of the the ones who have passed away.

Visiting the cemetery is a popular tradition. At the cemetery, the tomb or burial plot is decorated. The cemetery visit is spent in a picnic environment. The air is filled with music from Mariachi bands while the scent of a wide variety of foods wafts through the air. Fireworks are also common.

[CarmencitadeDios]

All Saints day has been celebrated for hundreds of years on November 1st by the church as the day when the church remembers those who have been recognised as saints or holy people in the last 2000+ years.

All Souls day has been celebrated for hundreds of years on October 31st by the church as the day when the dead are remembered by the living.

The word Halloween is derived from "All Hallows [Saints] Eve", the day before All Saints Day. The modern American version is a commercial artifact, developed to market candy, costumes and plastic decorations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints

[Robbinson]

Many Christian (and Jewish) holidays have Pagen roots - but what satan intended for evil, God has used for good.

We celebrate Christmas (which derives from a Pagen holiday); Easter (or Resurrection Day (which derives from a Pagen holiday). All Saints Days is just another example.

I don't think many will suggest (though I'm sure some will) that we shouldn't celebrate Christmas or Resurreciton Day because of their Pagen Roots.

We should focus on the liturgical meaning of the holidays actually celebrated and give glory to God.

Blessings,

Brian

[I'mready]

Many Christian (and Jewish) holidays have Pagen roots - but what satan intended for evil, God has used for good.

We celebrate Christmas (which derives from a Pagen holiday); Easter (or Resurrection Day (which derives from a Pagen holiday). All Saints Days is just another example.

I don't think many will suggest (though I'm sure some will) that we shouldn't celebrate Christmas or Resurreciton Day because of their Pagen Roots.

We should focus on the liturgical meaning of the holidays actually celebrated and give glory to God.

Blessings,

Brian


Jewish days of celebration have a Biblical mandate --

Catholic celebrations have no Biblical basis and are nothing but the Traditions of Man--

A True believer who has been 'converted' 'Born Again' a 'New Creature in Christ' been 'Transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit' one who has 'Repented' and has accepted Jesus Christ Alone as the Only source of Salvation -- will leave the 'Old' life behind including Pagan practices - beliefs and Rituals.

[Dodi]

A True believer who has been 'converted' 'Born Again' a 'New Creature in Christ' been 'Transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit' one who has 'Repented' and has accepted Jesus Christ Alone as the Only source of Salvation -- will leave the 'Old' life behind including Pagan practices - beliefs and Rituals.

:nod

[Robbinson]

Jewish days of celebration have a Biblical mandate --

Catholic celebrations have no Biblical basis and are nothing but the Traditions of Man--

A True believer who has been 'converted' 'Born Again' a 'New Creature in Christ' been 'Transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit' one who has 'Repented' and has accepted Jesus Christ Alone as the Only source of Salvation -- will leave the 'Old' life behind including Pagan practices - beliefs and Rituals.

Do you celebrate Christmas or Easter (Resurrection Day)? And if so, how do you reconcile this with your post? Actually, the entire Jewish Calendar is based upon the Babylonian calendar and Rosh Hashannah coincides with the Babylonian New Year (even though the first month of the year, per scripture, was to be the month of Nissan (in memory of the Exodus)).

Blessings,

Brian

[I'mready]

Do you celebrate Christmas or Easter (Resurrection Day)? And if so, how do you reconcile this with your post? Actually, the entire Jewish Calendar is based upon the Babylonian calendar and Rosh Hashannah coincides with the Babylonian New Year (even though the first month of the year, per scripture, was to be the month of Nissan (in memory of the Exodus)).

Blessings,

Brian

I am now a Born Again Christian - No I do Not celebrate Pagan Holidays

The OP has nothing to do with A calendar - The Jewish Days of celebration were give in Holy Scripture - The Only source for Faith and Practice.

Jesus was not Born on Dec 25th and he did not die on Good Friday(friday) - these are catholic myths.

[Robbinson]

I am now a Born Again Christian - No I do Not celebrate Pagan Holidays

The OP has nothing to do with A calendar - The Jewish Days of celebration were give in Holy Scripture - The Only source for Faith and Practice.

Jesus was not Born on Dec 25th and he did not die on Good Friday(friday) - these are catholic myths.

I agree we dont' know on what day Christ was born - but clearly we can celebrate his birth. In scripture there was great celebration around his birth. So December 25th is an admittedly arbitrary and non-scriptural day (as any other would be).

Similarly, we can and should celebrate the resurreciton of our Lord. As the the day, I'm not sure why you state with such certainly that Christ did not die on Friday - many scholars have discussed this with brilliant minds on both sides of that issue. The scriptures do appear to suggest a Friday death with his being removed from the cross in time for Sabbath. In any event, Chrisitians have been celebrating the resurrection from the earliest years of Christianity.

That being said, I would never criticize someone who chooses not to celebrate - and I wouldn't criticize a messianic jew who chooses to continue dietary restrictions - but I disagree with those who say we can't/shouldnt celebrate Christ's birth or resurrection (or those messianic jews who believe (some do) that we are obligated to continue dietary restrictions.

Blessings,

Brian