Big Bubba - The Holidays Threads Merged

[Vickimac]

OK one more point before I sneak back into oblivion....

You can't blame a fictional character in a red suit for what parents neglect to TEACH thier child. You can't blame anyone who tells a child to behave or be good for that child believing or not believing in the Lord. You can only blame the parent for not fulfilling the role OF the Christian parent to educate the child in biblical teaching if a child grows up thinking being good gets them to heaven.

Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Not saying the santa thing is a great idea, just saying that santa can't corrupt what belongs to God in the 1st place. :)

[missionethiopia]

When they realize that Santa is just a lie, your children will surely have a hard time believing in Jesus Christ... or worse, they will no longer believe in the Messiah. If this Santa thing is harmless, think again.


I believed in Santa but didn't have any harder time believing in the Lord as anyone else. Fact is, without the Holy Spirit, I would have never believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, with or without a Santa upbringing.

fwiw,

don

[queengina66]

Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (KJV).

The Prophet Jeremiah condemned as Pagan the ancient Middle Eastern practice of cutting down trees, bringing them into the home and decorating them. Of course, these were not really Christmas trees, because Jesus was not born until centuries later, and the use of Christmas trees was not introduced for many centuries after his birth. Apparently, in Jeremiah's time the "heathen" would cut down trees, carve or decorate them in the form of a god or goddess, and overlay it with precious metals. Some Christians feel that this Pagan practice was similar enough to our present use of Christmas trees that this passage from Jeremiah can be used to condemn both:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm
not to mention Satan Clause is compared to the attribues of YWH
-all knowing
-judging good vs evil
-Parents lie to children
Not having evergreen trees, the ancient Egyptians considered the palm tree to symbolize resurrection. They decorated their homes with its branches during the winter solstice. 3
"The first decorating of an evergreen tree began with the heathen Greeks and their worship of their god Adonia, who allegedly was brought back to life by the serpent Aessulapius after having been slain." 5
The ancient Pagan Romans decorated their "trees with bits of metal and replicas of their god, Bacchus [a fertility god]. They also placed 12 candles on the tree in honor of their sun god" 2 Their mid-winter festival of Saturnalia started on DEC-17 and often lasted until a few days after the Solstice.
In Northern Europe, the ancient Germanic people tied fruit and attached candles to evergreen tree branches, in honor of their god Woden. Trees were viewed as symbolizing eternal life. This is the deity after which Wednesday was named. The trees joined holly, mistletoe, the wassail bowl and the Yule log as symbols of the season. All predated Christianity. :doh

Lorraine Day, M.D.



The Bible does not tell us when Jesus was born. However, we know that the angels announced the birth of Christ to the Bethlehem shepherds in the open fields who were tending their flocks by night.. This fact certainly implies that the birth of Jesus could NOT have been on the 25th of December. "The cold of the night in Palestine between December and February is very piercing, and it was not customary for the shepherds of Judea to watch their flocks in the open fields later than about the end of October." Hislop, A., The Two Babylons, Loiseaux Brothers, Neptune, N.J. pg 91

Easter totally Pagan:

Easter is not a Christian name. It is Chaldean (Babylonian) in origin - the name Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven. The name Astarte, as found on the Assyrian monuments by the noted archeologist Layard, was the name Ishtar. The worship of Bel and Astarte was introduced very early into Britain, along with the Druids, "the priests of the groves," the high places where the pagans worshipped the idols of Baal. In the Almanac of the 1800's, May 1st is called Beltane, from the pagan god, Bel. The titles Bel and Molech both belong to the same god.

We must remember that Semiramis (also known as Ishtar) of Babylon, the wife of Nimrod and mother of Tammuz, was the same goddess worshiped throughout the world under various names, such as the Egyptian fertility god, Artemis, the Roman goddess of licentiousness, Venus, the Greek goddess of love, Aphrodite, and the Ephesian, many-breasted fertility god, Diana, as well as many others.

The (Easter) bunny, the oldest pagan symbol of fertility - Semiramis - has absolutely NOTHING to do with the birth of Christ.:thinking

Nor does the Sunrise service. Jesus was resurrected while it was still DARK!

No where's in the Bible are we told to Celebrate any holiday not even the birth of christ!

He told us to take communion in rememberance of Him often!

He told the Jewish people to show rememberance of the passover honoring their Exdous or flight from Egypt
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/holidays2.htm

Harry Potter and Christians:

But in the Potter series, the line is not so clear. The "good" guys practice "white magic", while the bad guys practice the "Dark Arts". Readers become fascinated with the magic used (explained in remarkable detail). Yet God is clear in Scripture that any practice of magic is an "abomination" to him. God doesn't distinguish between "white" and "dark" magic since they both originate from the same source.

"There shall not be found among you anyone who …practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you."


Deut. 18:10-14

Tooth Fairy and witchcraft:

I have never read about the tooth fairy in the bible.They teach their children about invisible things they cannot see when it is discovered it's a lie they also learn to distrust in G-d and Yeshua and Holy Spirit they too can not be seen.:hat

[iSong6:3]

Yes, but the Apostles held a council and determined that Gentiles should obstain from four things: food offered to idols, fornication, meat strangled and blood (Acts 15:20) "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things". (Acts 15:28). So, you are certainly free to observe the feast days, but you are free to observe every day the same. (Romans 14:6)

:agree This is the Word of God. This should settle the issue of what is expected/commanded of Gentile believers. Period, the end.

[iSong6:3]

Beautifully stated and great analogy. Thanks isong -A good part of scripture to apply to celebrating the first coming of the Messiah- the Promised One, our Hope, prophecy fulfilled!
Some thought the ointment should have been saved for what they thought would be the best use of it, they considered what she did a waste of it - but Jesus thought otherwise. He saw the womans heart.

Luk 7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.


Luk 7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.


Luk 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, [the same] loveth little.


Luk 7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.


Luk 7:49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?


Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.


He knows the true heart of you, what you do, why you do. If you want to use your "perfume" to celebrate the birth of Jesus, don't let anyone tell you not to. :)

Yes we are called to celebrate his resurrection but it should be somehow 'forbidden' to celebrate his birth because of what the world does? Not in my house. ALL things Jesus will be celebrated.

Everyone follow your own convictions and your own heart - which the Lord sees in full and don't slam [judge] a sibling in Christ for thiers. If you feel convicted not to partake in any 'traditional' Christmas festivities I can totally respect that and sincerely applaud you for following your convictions. If you can't respect those who do celebrate the Lords birth Dec 25th out of love & worship and follow thier convictions, then just remember that God judges you with the same measure that you hold others to.

Thank you, Vicki, this is the Scriptural support. Isn't it beautiful? There is no law against what is done in lavish love and gratitude to the Lord Jesus Christ, Who has forgiven me/us of many sins.

I love how you put this as well - "ALL things Jesus will be celebrated." Amen.

Vicki - please don't go back to lurking. You have your gifts and insight to share here with all of us! :thumb

As far as what exactly Jesus commanded, let's just see what the Lord Himself said. Matthew 22:35-40 -

"Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 'Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?'

"Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'

"This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Did Jesus say to keep the feasts? Did He say not to mix linen and wool? Did He tell people not to celebrate His birth?

Love God, love your neighbor as yourself.

And He accepted and lauded the woman who loved Him in a way that scandalized the disciples. They thought she was out of "bounds". Not according to the way the Lord thinks. He wants our love, in the way we personally feel led to express it. She broke no laws, she exemplified them.

[iSong6:3]

Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (KJV).

The Prophet Jeremiah condemned as Pagan the ancient Middle Eastern practice of cutting down trees, bringing them into the home and decorating them. Of course, these were not really Christmas trees, because Jesus was not born until centuries later, and the use of Christmas trees was not introduced for many centuries after his birth. Apparently, in Jeremiah's time the "heathen" would cut down trees, carve or decorate them in the form of a god or goddess, and overlay it with precious metals. Some Christians feel that this Pagan practice was similar enough to our present use of Christmas trees that this passage from Jeremiah can be used to condemn both:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm
not to mention Satan Clause is compared to the attribues of YWH
-all knowing
-judging good vs evil
-Parents lie to children
Not having evergreen trees, the ancient Egyptians considered the palm tree to symbolize resurrection. They decorated their homes with its branches during the winter solstice. 3
"The first decorating of an evergreen tree began with the heathen Greeks and their worship of their god Adonia, who allegedly was brought back to life by the serpent Aessulapius after having been slain." 5
The ancient Pagan Romans decorated their "trees with bits of metal and replicas of their god, Bacchus [a fertility god]. They also placed 12 candles on the tree in honor of their sun god" 2 Their mid-winter festival of Saturnalia started on DEC-17 and often lasted until a few days after the Solstice.
In Northern Europe, the ancient Germanic people tied fruit and attached candles to evergreen tree branches, in honor of their god Woden. Trees were viewed as symbolizing eternal life. This is the deity after which Wednesday was named. The trees joined holly, mistletoe, the wassail bowl and the Yule log as symbols of the season. All predated Christianity. :doh

Lorraine Day, M.D.



The Bible does not tell us when Jesus was born. However, we know that the angels announced the birth of Christ to the Bethlehem shepherds in the open fields who were tending their flocks by night.. This fact certainly implies that the birth of Jesus could NOT have been on the 25th of December. "The cold of the night in Palestine between December and February is very piercing, and it was not customary for the shepherds of Judea to watch their flocks in the open fields later than about the end of October." Hislop, A., The Two Babylons, Loiseaux Brothers, Neptune, N.J. pg 91

Easter totally Pagan:

Easter is not a Christian name. It is Chaldean (Babylonian) in origin - the name Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven. The name Astarte, as found on the Assyrian monuments by the noted archeologist Layard, was the name Ishtar. The worship of Bel and Astarte was introduced very early into Britain, along with the Druids, "the priests of the groves," the high places where the pagans worshipped the idols of Baal. In the Almanac of the 1800's, May 1st is called Beltane, from the pagan god, Bel. The titles Bel and Molech both belong to the same god.

We must remember that Semiramis (also known as Ishtar) of Babylon, the wife of Nimrod and mother of Tammuz, was the same goddess worshiped throughout the world under various names, such as the Egyptian fertility god, Artemis, the Roman goddess of licentiousness, Venus, the Greek goddess of love, Aphrodite, and the Ephesian, many-breasted fertility god, Diana, as well as many others.

The (Easter) bunny, the oldest pagan symbol of fertility - Semiramis - has absolutely NOTHING to do with the birth of Christ.:thinking

Nor does the Sunrise service. Jesus was resurrected while it was still DARK!

No where's in the Bible are we told to Celebrate any holiday not even the birth of christ!

He told us to take communion in rememberance of Him often!

He told the Jewish people to show rememberance of the passover honoring their Exdous or flight from Egypt
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/holidays2.htm

Harry Potter and Christians:

But in the Potter series, the line is not so clear. The "good" guys practice "white magic", while the bad guys practice the "Dark Arts". Readers become fascinated with the magic used (explained in remarkable detail). Yet God is clear in Scripture that any practice of magic is an "abomination" to him. God doesn't distinguish between "white" and "dark" magic since they both originate from the same source.

"There shall not be found among you anyone who …practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you."


Deut. 18:10-14

Tooth Fairy and witchcraft:

I have never read about the tooth fairy in the bible.They teach their children about invisible things they cannot see when it is discovered it's a lie they also learn to distrust in G-d and Yeshua and Holy Spirit they too can not be seen.:hat

gina - With all due respect, truly, after this whole thread, after the clear words of Scripture, are we still copying and pasting the same things we've seen over and over, with no discussion?

And is this the Lorraine Day M.D. I just googled who has ethical issues and what's more, is theologically aberrant?

I got this far and could not read any more of her site as she is off-base:

"The present-day Jews are NOT God's 'Chosen People'. On this web site, you will find an in-depth analysis of the story behind the news...the bigger picture of the diabolical plan of the Illuminati and the Zionist Jews to destroy America and to rule the world."

And she goes on from there. No thanks. :nono

[icebear]

gina - With all due respect, truly, after this whole thread, after the clear words of Scripture, are we still copying and pasting the same things we've seen over and over, with no discussion?

And is this the Lorraine Day M.D. I just googled who has ethical issues and what's more, is theologically aberrant?

I got this far and could not read any more of her site as she is off-base:

"The present-day Jews are NOT God's 'Chosen People'. On this web site, you will find an in-depth analysis of the story behind the news...the bigger picture of the diabolical plan of the Illuminati and the Zionist Jews to destroy America and to rule the world."

And she goes on from there. No thanks. :nono

illuminati :doh

[His Bride]

gina - With all due respect, truly, after this whole thread, after the clear words of Scripture, are we still copying and pasting the same things we've seen over and over, with no discussion?

And is this the Lorraine Day M.D. I just googled who has ethical issues and what's more, is theologically aberrant?

I got this far and could not read any more of her site as she is off-base:

"The present-day Jews are NOT God's 'Chosen People'. On this web site, you will find an in-depth analysis of the story behind the news...the bigger picture of the diabolical plan of the Illuminati and the Zionist Jews to destroy America and to rule the world."

And she goes on from there. No thanks. :nono

Oh brother!:ohno

[LindaLee]

IMO...most of the secular holidays are, to me, just another day on the calendar. I absolutely dread the holidays. It stresses me out to the point that I do not enjoy them.

However, my husband grew up with Halloween and so did I. But when I realized its roots were derived from pagan customs etc, I no longer celebrated it...my husband on the other hand buys candy and HE gives it out...not me. He knows how I feel about Halloween, and he deals with it the way he wants too.

As for Christmas, I prefer NOT to do it at all, however, since we have grown-up children living in our house that have little ones, they want to do it. I do not encourage the Santa thingy, that is strictly left up to the parents of my grandchildren. I like the glitz and sparkles, but I don't go out of my way to decorate...I let my children do the decorating.

I teach the true meaning behind the celebration of Christmas, even though I stress that Christ wasn't born during this time of year, but that it was a day chosen to honor Him and was thus set aside for this reason as a yearly reminder of His birth.

I believe people should know the bases on which they believe and keep a holiday. What is their purpose for doing so? Does it honor God? What does the Bible say? Will it enrich their lives and bring their families closer together and closer to God? Does it uplift God/Jesus Christ to those around them and show others that Christ lives within them?

No one should judge a person based on their particular reasoning for keeping a holiday unless it is blatantly obvious it is satanic in origin. Each person has to answer for his/her own decisions in this life one day before God Almighty...until then we have to do the best we can, with the knowledge we have, and according to the Holy Spirit that leads unto all Truth.

[His Bride]

I agree, Linda Lee. To know why you celebrate holidays helps you to focus on what is important. Although Christmas and Easter have many pagan associations, to use them to glorify the Lord Jesus in a way that would be pleasing to Him is healthy. And there are times in this sin sick world that a little cheer and laughter is more healthy than legalism. For my family, however, Halloween is out. But Christmas is a wonderful time to share the love of God, even if it isn't His true birthday.