Is Jesus the Creator ???

[jedidiah]

Hi everyone ,

I have a question in my mind for a long time. Pls help

I believe in Holy Trinity
I believe Jesus is God the Son
I believe Jesus is God
I believe Jesus is the 2nd person of Holy Trinity
But my question is :

Is Jesus the Creator ? According to the Bible


Colossians 1
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

1. What does " begotten " mean ?
2. Jesus is the firstborn by Whom? ( Colossians 1:15)
3. Does "born" also mean "created" sometimes in your language ?

The attached are few verses FYI.
Psa2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Acts13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Heb1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Thanks a lot for any input

Jedidiah

[ATYCLB]

Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

[Hootmon]

The Father is the 'Architect'.
The Son is the 'Builder'.
The HS is the 'Custodian'.

[HeIsEnough]

The Father is the 'Architect'.
The Son is the 'Builder'.
The HS is the 'Custodian'.

And we occupy ~ 6x1 cubicles.

[LaMontre]

1. What does " begotten " mean ?

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John Gill:
the glory, as of the only begotten of the Father; a glory becoming him, suitable to him as such; the very real glory of the Son of God; for the "as", here, is not a note of similitude, but of certainty, as in Mat_14:5 and the word is here called, "the only begotten of the Father"; which cannot be said of Christ, as man; for as such, he was not "begotten" at all: nor on the account of his resurrection from the dead; for so he could not be called the "only begotten", since there are others that have been, and millions that will be raised from the dead, besides him: nor by reason of adoption; for if adopted, then not begotten; these two are inconsistent; besides, he could not be called the only begotten, in this sense, because there are many adopted sons, even all the elect of God: nor by virtue of his office, as magistrates are called the sons of God; for then he would be so only in a figurative and metaphorical sense, and not properly; whereas he is called God's own Son, the Son of the same nature with him; and, as here, the only begotten of the Father, begotten by him in the same nature, in a way inconceivable and inexpressible by us:

2. Jesus is the firstborn by Whom? ( Colossians 1:15)

John Gill:
the firstborn of every creature; not the first of the creation, or the first creature God made; for all things in Col_1:16 are said to be created by him, and therefore he himself can never be a creature; nor is he the first in the new creation, for the apostle in the context is speaking of the old creation, and not the new: but the sense either is, that he was begotten of the Father in a manner inconceivable and inexpressible by men, before any creatures were in being; or that he is the "first Parent", or bringer forth of every creature into being, as the word will bear to be rendered, if instead of πρωτοτοκος, we read πρωτοτοκος; which is no more than changing the place of the accent, and may be very easily ventured upon, as is done by an ancient writer (g), who observes, that the word is used in this sense by Homer, and is the same as πρωτογονος, "first Parent", and πρωτοκτιστης, "first Creator"; and the rather this may be done, seeing the accents were all added since the apostle's days, and especially seeing it makes his reasoning, in the following verses, appear with much more beauty, strength, and force: he is the first Parent of every creature, "for by him were all things created", &c. Col_1:16, or it may be understood of Christ, as the King, Lord, and Governor of all creatures; being God's firstborn, he is heir of all things, the right of government belongs to him; he is higher than the kings of the earth, or the angels in heaven, the highest rank of creatures, being the Creator and upholder of all, as the following words show; so the Jews make the word "firstborn" to be synonymous with the word "king", and explain it by גדול ושר, "a great one", and "a prince" (h); see Psa_89:27.

3. Does "born" also mean "created" sometimes in your language ?

No.

I think JG above pretty much nails the explanation. :thumb

[denny272]

And we occupy ~ 6x1 cubicles.

:pound:thumb

[Hootmon]

And we occupy ~ 6x1 cubicles.Wouldnt that be 'cubit-cles'?

[LaMontre]

Wouldnt that be 'cubit-cles'?

:ohno

:heh

[Raye007]

Yes I believe Jesus is the Creator I know he is. I know he was the one who died on the Cross for all our Sins. He is a Merciful God and we should be forever influenced by him

[Doulos]

Hi everyone ,

I have a question in my mind for a long time. Pls help

I believe in Holy Trinity
I believe Jesus is God the Son
I believe Jesus is God
I believe Jesus is the 2nd person of Holy Trinity
But my question is :

Is Jesus the Creator ? According to the Bible


Colossians 1
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

1. What does " begotten " mean ?
2. Jesus is the firstborn by Whom? ( Colossians 1:15)
3. Does "born" also mean "created" sometimes in your language ?

The attached are few verses FYI.
Psa2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Acts13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is

also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Heb1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And

again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my

Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Thanks a lot for any input

Jedidiah

I think you understand that Jesus pre-existed His human incarnation. (If not just say so and we can talk about that a little.) So on to your questions.

Jesus is begotten of the Father in 2 ways. First it is because His earthly incarnation through Mary was by the power of the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35) and because He was always obedient to the Father (John 8:28,29,38).

When Jesus is spoken of as the "Firstborn" it is not a reference to birth or creation at all but rather to His preeminent positon above all creation. Think of it like this. Esau was the first to be born, but Jacob became the Firstborn through the blessing of his father. Firstborn is a position of leadership and stewardship.

In reference to Jesus, the word born is not an indicator of creation in any sense but is used in reference to His incarnation.