Todd Freil/ Doug Pagitt transcript

[farmgirl]

Well, let the Emergents speak for themselves. If they can manage a coherent logical sentence. :scratch



http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/2713/Todd_Friel

[Sing4Him]

Todd: I’m a good Muslim. What happens to my soul when I die?

Doug: You are… you interact with God, just as every other human being interacts with God.

Todd: You mean Hebrews 9: “It is appointed to a man once to die and then judgment?”

Doug: Right, yea, that’s interaction with…

Todd: So he gets judged?

Doug: Right, that’s interaction with God.

Todd: Uh huh, and so…

Doug: Yeah.

Todd: What’s… what’s going to happen to the… How is God going to judge the good Muslim?

Doug: Does it.. God’s going to judge the life and repair and restore and heal the life of everybody in the same way. There’s gonna be no difference between what God…

Todd: So the Muslim is ultimately not going to be… go to a bad place. He’s ultimately going to be restored with God when he dies?

Doug: No, there’s going to be no difference between the way God going to interact with you when you die and the way God’s going to interact with a Muslim when a Muslim dies.

Todd: So I wanna put… I wanna put this into my fundamentalist language. What I just heard you say is: There is no difference between the Christian and the Muslim afterlife. God is going to have a good place prepared for both of us.

per link above

[Sing4Him]

Doug: (laughing) It’s unbelievable. See I have a very difficult time working with the dualistic Platonic, Platonist like yourselves, because I have to be taken back into … remind myself, that rather than following the Jesus narrative, I have to go into Plato, and Socrates understanding of the cosmos, so they can end up with a Heaven in one place, in one sphere, and functioning by one set of rules…

Todd: So Heaven…. Let me, let me, then let me try to understand you sir.

Doug: ….and then the earth, and then the earth in another sphere, functioning according to a different set of rules.

Todd: Then let me try to understand your narrative. Is Heaven and Hell together?

Doug: Unbelievable.

Todd: I agree. It’s unbeleivable sir, you’re right. Is Heaven and Hell, uh, OK so what is it exactly? (laughter)

Doug: (laughter) See you create this context right, and you create this structure…

Todd: Yes because Jesus said “I go to prepare a place for you.” OK, well, I don’t know.

Doug: …and then you ask about it as a “where” and a place, and then you say to me, “Would you please define for me what it is.”

Todd: Sir, when….

Doug: I mean, If you’re unclear about it, then maybe you ought to, I mean, you can go look at what Plato or Dante’s understanding of Hell is,.

per OP link


DISGUSTING!!!!!:tsk:tsk

[Watchingthesky]

Not judging, but seriously, why would this guy even consider himself a Christian as one would be viewed in the actual Bible?

Wow.

[A Berean]

Unbelievable :hehee:twitch!!!

[goinghome]

The truly sad part about this isn't that he came strongly against traditional Christian theology, but that he talked in such circles that it wasn't clear if he even knew Christians have a theology that doesn't include the likes of plato. With double speaking and avoidance talent like this, he should run for president. Like trying to nail jello to a wall.

[HSmomto4]

That was so odd I couldn't even listen to it all! How very sad that this man claimed at one time to be a southern baptist!