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billiefan2000
November 19th, 2007, 01:00 PM
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1000&u_sid=10188594
Chicago Lutheran Church Ordains Lesbian
The Associated Press
CHICAGO (AP) - A Lutheran church in Chicago has ordained a lesbian who refuses to take a vow of celibacy, becoming the first to test a new resolution that gives bishops leeway in disciplining such violations.
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America requires vows of celibacy for gay but not for heterosexual clergy - a policy the Rev. Jen Rude, 27, calls discriminatory.
Chicago's bishop, Wayne Miller did not try to block Rude's ordination at Resurrection Lutheran Church on Saturday,
but he also didn't attend the ceremony.
While he has said he believes the celibacy rule should reversed, he also has urged bishops to follow rules set by the church.
"My goal is to keep people in the conversation, and I do not see this as an issue that should be dividing the church," he said before the church ordained Rude.
Rude, whose father and grandfather are both Lutheran ministers, expressed gratitude to the congregation.
more.. http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1000&u_sid=10188594
BTW we have at least 3 ELCA churches here in Omaha including the one mentioned at
http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=12961
that openly pander to the gay agenda, so what the ELCA does at this point dont surprise me
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antitox
November 19th, 2007, 01:15 PM
So sad, and so outrageous.
Morals here in the US have gone to the dogs. This isn't just something restricted to certain churches, because it is going to spread to many other religious groups.
Eventually, the wave of new thought is going to take over and the lines will be fully unnoticed except for those who remain devoted to God.
Tron4JC
November 19th, 2007, 01:20 PM
ECLA has been liberal and apostate long ago.
That is why conservative Lutheran denoms like LCMS and WELS won't have anything to do with them.
antitox
November 19th, 2007, 01:41 PM
Groups like this are always the first to go because their views are liberal at the outset. But much like gay marriage, it is going to spread. It always does. The initial steps to this point may have taken a long time, but it will start to move quicker.
I guarantee you the gay thing is the final state of a society's moral condition, barring public torture. That's why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, else it would have spread thru the earth before its time. It had already fully consumed that city.
I am not saying that true believers are going to buy into this or change their position on it. But I am saying that we are going to see alot of institutions go with it eventually.
Remember this is hinged on the new generation which does not have old-school values. We all know that most heterosexual boomers don't fly with it. But we are dying off slowly, and making way for the new thinking of this age. (This is converse to the Egypt-generation that God had to let die off for 40 yrs in the wilderness in order to get more of His thinking into the next generation to take the land).
HisAlways
November 19th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Oh.....my, my. :tsk
billiefan2000
November 20th, 2007, 11:52 AM
ECLA has been liberal and apostate long ago.
That is why conservative Lutheran denoms like LCMS and WELS won't have anything to do with them.
Tron you are so right
R. Don Wright and and Susan Butler (see) http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=12961
who are ELCA pastors here in Omaha Nebraska are very vocal about their far-left views
as is First Lutheran Church of Omaha Nebraska
and
Pella Lutheran Church of Omaha Nebraska
and about 20 other churches here of various denom.
BTW other than the ELCA church here in Omaha that has a worship service to polka music and of course Kountze Memorial Lutheran Church
I cant name any other ELCA church here in town that isnt far-left but I could be wrong
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Chuck Taylorz
November 20th, 2007, 12:42 PM
..So She Is Gon starting Preaching and Reading from the Bibles and teaching and leading worship service, right?????
me go!
November 20th, 2007, 01:03 PM
The Southern Baptists, which I am a member, are beginning to feel some criticism from those outside the Faith and a few from within because we donot compromise on this particular issue. It has just be re-affirmed by the denomination but it has been reported in such a way that people believe that Baptists do not allow homosexuals inside the church. that is absolutely false. We very much hope they will come to the church...in order to hear about the love and redemptive power of Jesus Christ. We do not allow them membership as long as they are practicing the lifestyle but by no means does that mean we don't let them through the doors.
I'm not really strong on denominations but I think this is one area where the SBC has it right and there are others, such as ELCA that have it very wrong. And the SBC, as is the norm, will be openly scourned for it....
antitox
November 20th, 2007, 03:45 PM
The Southern Baptists, which I am a member, are beginning to feel some criticism from those outside the Faith and a few from within because we donot compromise on this particular issue. It has just be re-affirmed by the denomination but it has been reported in such a way that people believe that Baptists do not allow homosexuals inside the church. that is absolutely false. We very much hope they will come to the church...in order to hear about the love and redemptive power of Jesus Christ. We do not allow them membership as long as they are practicing the lifestyle but by no means does that mean we don't let them through the doors.
I'm not really strong on denominations but I think this is one area where the SBC has it right and there are others, such as ELCA that have it very wrong. And the SBC, as is the norm, will be openly scourned for it....
I think that the pressure won't go away, but rather increase.
Eventually that liberal all-acceptance mindset is going to pervade society, and institutions are going to cave under it.
dlocal
November 23rd, 2007, 07:35 PM
This truly saddens me. I am a current member of an ELCA church. The members are more conservative but I fear that the preaching will change because of what the denomination may say should be preached.
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