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RefinedbyFire
May 16th, 2007, 02:01 AM
I used to be mormon and i think most mormons won't want to accept the mark of the beast even though i wouldn't classify most of them as christians with true saving faith in the true jesus, so would everyone who denys the mark go to heaven or could you deny it and still end up in hell or do you think unorthodox christians such as mormons will have to chose to either become a true christian or to accept the mark even though mormons believe they shouldn't?:scratch
That is a good question. I think I have thought of that before.
His Bride
May 17th, 2007, 11:53 AM
Everyone gets to heaven the same way, through believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and his blood as the penalty for sin.
LaMontre
May 17th, 2007, 02:31 PM
I used to be mormon and i think most mormons won't want to accept the mark of the beast even though i wouldn't classify most of them as christians with true saving faith in the true jesus, so would everyone who denys the mark go to heaven or could you deny it and still end up in hell or do you think unorthodox christians such as mormons will have to chose to either become a true christian or to accept the mark even though mormons believe they shouldn't?:scratch
those who do not take the mark (for reasons other than accepting the gospel) and live through the tribulation, will live on in their mortal bodies into the Millennium.
BlessedinHim
May 17th, 2007, 02:39 PM
those who do not take the mark (for reasons other than accepting the gospel) and live through the tribulation, will live on in their mortal bodies into the Millennium.
Can you give me scripture for that so I can look it up?
Do you really think that many will survive that long?
LaMontre
May 17th, 2007, 03:25 PM
Can you give me scripture for that so I can look it up?
Do you really think that many will survive that long?
What, 3-1/2 years?
Yes I do.
Check out these;
Isaiah 2
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Isaiah 14 1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
Zechariah 14
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one....
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Ezekiel 36
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God....
36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.
Since it is obvious that there will be nations that survive into the tribulation in their mortal bodies (according to these sciptures), and since it is also obvious that them that take the mark of the beast will be sent directly to hell.....
....well, it's just obvious. :)
BlessedinHim
May 18th, 2007, 03:18 AM
Thanks, hadnt seen v36 in Ezekiel, well, should say it hadnt stood out, or I just read over it, well, you know.
There may be some from all nations, but I dont think it will be a lot. Too late to look it up, but isnt two thirds gone from the earth by the end of the tribulation? third here and a third there?
LaMontre
May 18th, 2007, 10:42 AM
Thanks, hadnt seen v36 in Ezekiel, well, should say it hadnt stood out, or I just read over it, well, you know.
There may be some from all nations, but I dont think it will be a lot. Too late to look it up, but isnt two thirds gone from the earth by the end of the tribulation? third here and a third there?
Yeah, I think it is 2/3rds of the nation of Israel. But it could be the entire world I suppose.
Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
Big Daddy
May 21st, 2007, 09:40 AM
I used to be mormon and i think most mormons won't want to accept the mark of the beast even though i wouldn't classify most of them as christians with true saving faith in the true jesus, so would everyone who denys the mark go to heaven or could you deny it and still end up in hell or do you think unorthodox christians such as mormons will have to chose to either become a true christian or to accept the mark even though mormons believe they shouldn't?:scratch
What about this?
2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 (KJV)
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work. Wouldn't this imply that after the rapture, all those left are going to be forsaken by God to believe in the AC?
LaMontre
May 21st, 2007, 10:22 AM
What about this?
Wouldn't this imply that after the rapture, all those left are going to be forsaken by God to believe in the AC?
Except that the scriptures also tell us plainly that the nations will be in the millenium, being ruled by Israel.
:)
Big Daddy
May 21st, 2007, 11:13 AM
Except that the scriptures also tell us plainly that the nations will be in the millenium, being ruled by Israel.
:)And what happens to those nations after the millenium?
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