Rapture Question

[LupusMommyto5]

If we're too be raptured out of here before all the bad things happen here on earth then isn't this verse contradictory to that?

1st Corinthians 15:51, 52:
“Behold, I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed – in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead in Christ will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

According to this it reads we aren't raptured out until the Last Trumpet.

I am now so confused, are there verses that indicate we go first?

Can anyone help with this?

your sister in Christ,
Nannette (a.k.a. LupusMommyto5)

[blitzkreig]

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
(1Co 15:51-58)From Cornelius Stam's book "Commentary on The First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians". (pp. 214 -)


Note: "We shall not all sleep," for one generation of believers will be alive on
earth when the Lord comes for the members of His Body. "But we shall all be
changed." We have solid Scriptural proof for this in addition to the above passage
from I Cor. 15.

Phil. 3:20,21: "For our conversation143 is in heaven, from whence also we look for
the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ:

"WHO SHALL CHANGE OUR VILE BODY, THAT IT MAY BE FASHIONED LIKE
UNTO HIS GLORIOUS BODY. . . ."

Note too that this event will take place "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye"
(Ver. 52). Here we long and pray and try to be more like our blessed Lord, and His
grace does effect changes in us, but the metamorphosis is so slow! But when our
Lord comes for us, at some given moment, all of a sudden, "we shall be changed" -
into His likeness!

All at once, incorruptibility, glory, power, a spiritual body! All at once, "we shall
bear the image of the heavenly", we shall be like Christ! This is far too profound a
change for us, in our present state, to fully comprehend, but God's immutable Word
declares that this is what will take place, so we may, and should, look for this
blessed event with the keenest anticipation.

A moment's digression here is perhaps called for to point out that "the last trump"
of Ver. 52 has nothing whatever to do with the seven trumpets of the Revelation.

None of these will yet have sounded when the Lord comes for His saints. All will
be sounded during the "great tribulation." How, then, could the seventh, the last, be
sounded when our Lord comes for the members of His Body?

Further, regarding the seven trumpets of Revelation, Rev. 11:15 says simply:
"and the seventh angel sounded," while the trumpet of I Cor. 15:52 is called in I
Thes. 4:16, "the trump of God."

The term, "the last trump," in I Cor. 15:52, is a military expression, denoting the
trumpet which is sounded at the last, or the close of this dispensation, i.e., to call
the soldiers home.

DEATH SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY: "So when this corruptible shall have put
on incorruptibility, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, THEN SHALL BE
BROUGHT TO PASS THE SAYING THAT IS WRITTEN, DEATH IS
SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY" (Ver. 52).

What a triumphant climax to this great passage on the resurrection of believers!

Death swallowed up in victory!

To help us view the whole in its proper perspective, the apostle asks and answers
one more two-fold question. Referring, doubtless, to Hosea 13:14, he asks with
great feeling:

“O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" (Ver. 55).

I.e., what is it that makes death hurt so; and what gives the grave its irresistible
power?

The answer?

"The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law" (Ver. 56).
It is sin that makes death hurt so, for death is the result of sin, so that our poor,
broken bodies must finally be disposed of in corruption, dishonor and abject
impotence (See Rom. 5:12; 6:23; James 1:15). Indeed, "the sting of death is sin."

But what makes the grave so always-victorious in the end? Wherein lies its
assured victory; its power to always win? "The strength of sin is the law," says
Paul (Ver. 56). The Law was given specifically "that every mouth may be stopped,
and that all the world may become guilty before God" (Rom. 3:19). It always works
in favor of the accuser. It does not; it cannot defend the sinner. Thus, says Paul,
"the law worketh wrath" (Rom. 4:15).

Yes, the "strength of sin," or the power that convicts of sin, resides in the Law.
With the Law, then, pronouncing us guilty, how can death be swallowed up in
victory? Ah, listen to the apostle as he completes his statement:
"The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law,
"BUT THANKS BE UNTO GOD, WHO GIVETH US THE VICTORY THROUGH
OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST" (Vers. 56,57).

The Law "worketh wrath"; it is a curse to us, but:
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us;

for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" (Gal. 3:13).
THE CLOSING PRACTICAL APPLICATION: Finally, in one great, powerful
sentence, the apostle applies to us, in a most practical way, the great truths he has
been teaching.

"THEREFORE, MY BELOVED BRETHREN, BE YE STEADFAST, UNMOVABLE,
ALWAYS ABOUNDING IN THE WORK OF THE LORD, FORASMUCH AS YE
KNOW THAT YOUR LABOR IS NOT IN VAIN IN THE LORD" (Ver. 58).

This exhortation implies that the adversities we all experience have a tendency to
discourage us and make us feel like giving up, but our glorious future is the answer
to them all. Note the absence of a single negative in this exhortation. He does not
exhort us "Don't get discouraged; don't quit." Rather he says, "Be ye steadfast
unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord." And the basis for this
stirring appeal?

"FORASMUCH AS YE KNOW THAT YOUR LABOR IS NOT IN VAIN IN THE
LORD."


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[LupusMommyto5]

Now I am more confused. Oh goodness.

[Chris]

Perhaps these will help. :)

The Last Trump
Ask a Bible Teacher
http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-last-trump

The Last Trumpet Follow Up
Ask a Bible Teacher
http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-last-trumpet-follow-up

[CelticMist]

There are different sets of trumpets

[CelticMist]

Perhaps these will help. :)

The Last Trump
Ask a Bible Teacher
http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-last-trump

The Last Trumpet Follow Up
Ask a Bible Teacher
http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/the-last-trumpet-follow-up
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[Near]

Now I am more confused. Oh goodness.

Pray. God will tell you.

[messenger]

At the last trump. When the trumpet shall sound to raise the dead. The word "last" here does not imply that any trumpet shall have been before sounded at the resurrection, but is a word denoting that this is the consummation or close of things; it will end the economy of this world; it will be connected with the last state of things.
:yeah

[Sing4Him]

blitzkreig :thumbChris:thumb messenger:thumb

[Patchwork]

I'm looking for a scriptural witness that this "trump" of God, which 1Co 15:54 says is the "last", is not to be confused with the one in Revelation. The usual reasons don't carry conviction for me, although I feel sure this is indeed a different trumpet. I just want to know where it shows it in the Word.

Something came to me here ... This "trump" (or trumpet, it can also be translated, you can't use that shortened word as proof) is mentioned in the first letter to the Thessalonians in about 52 A.D. John wrote the book of Revelation about 40 years later.

Another thing, this one comes with a shout of summons, apparently the Lord Himself shouting, not alone but with an Archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet. There are several things here which are peculiar to this instance and not the other.

The seventh trumpet in Revelation, also releases the bowls ... The trump in 1 Thes 4:16 was taught by Paul before the bowls were even known about.

I hope this doesn't get any rebuttals tonight 'cause I'm turning in, take a look in the morning.