Can we please discuss? 7 Universal laws - Sanhedrin/Gentiles (*Note punishment)

[Believer in miracles]

I was just re-reading my post to make sure I made no mistakes!

In doing so I noticed this...from Post #2 *****Note the name Rabbi Cohen in both articles

http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=456&Parent=88

US President George W. Bush Discusses - Road-Map to World Peace Based on Seven Universal Ben Noah Laws

Among the religious leaders was Rabbi Yakov Cohen who represented the worldwide Institute of Noahide Code, an organization dedicated to promote the Noahide Code of Seven Universal Ben Noah Laws. Rabbi Cohen presented the "Road-Map to World Peace", explaining that the Ben Noah Laws will unite all of mankind.

The Seven Laws of Noah date back to the time of Noah and is the oldest code of laws in existence. They precede the development of all faiths. Since these are universal laws that prohibit murder, cruelty to animals, sexual misconduct and other universal ethic values they are common and affect all mankind. These laws can be shared by all people from all walks of life.

Following a meeting with the president Rabbi Cohen said: The president was very supportive and responsive to the message we are trying to get across. (***He should be……..his father already signed it into legislation)

He also added we are urging leaders to become more involved in the moral and ethical issues of our society.

Rabbi Cohen who directs the Institute of Noahide Code [/B](http://www.noahide.org) stated that the Jewish people were charged with the mission to educate mankind and be a light onto the nations by promoting the observance of the Seven Bnei Noah Laws among all mankind.


NOW..........

Note who came to see Bush pre-Annapolis

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124132

(IsraelNN.com) Israel’s Chief Rabbis and the Chief Rabbi of Haifa have been invited to the White House for pre-Annapolis talks to explain the Jewish connection to the Temple Mount.

Chief Rabbis Yonah Metzger and Shlomo Amar, as well as the Chief Rabbi of Haifa and Chairman of the Chief Rabbinate Communications Committee Rabbi She'ar-Yashuv Cohen departed Saturday evening for a series of meetings to clarify to US leaders that the Temple Mount is Judaism's holiest site.

RECAP
From first article from the Noahide site....


Among the religious leaders was Rabbi Yakov Cohen who represented the worldwide Institute of Noahide Code, an organization dedicated to promote the Noahide Code of Seven Universal Ben Noah Laws. Rabbi Cohen presented the "Road-Map to World Peace", explaining that the Ben Noah Laws will unite all of mankind.

Following a meeting with the president Rabbi Cohen said: The president was very supportive and responsive to the message we are trying to get across.


From the second article.....pre-Annapolis


Chief Rabbis Yonah Metzger and Shlomo Amar, as well as the Chief Rabbi of Haifa [B]and Chairman of the Chief Rabbinate Communications Committee Rabbi She'ar-Yashuv Cohen departed Saturday evening for a series of meetings to clarify to US leaders that the Temple Mount is Judaism's holiest site.

[Believer in miracles]

Re: post 23

Whenever you see the name Cohen you know they are from the priest tribe of Levi

In the list of speakers at the global Noahide conference next year is Rabbi Chaim Richman

He is a member of the Sanhedrin and Temple Mount Institute making temple instruments and said they didn't need the red heifer............. that the high priest could serve impure until they find a red heifer.

***Between Rabbi Cohen and Rabbi Richman and their above statements this is a very interesting development

You have the Sanhedrin link with the Noahides...the TM link...the Bush link with both! WOW!

[Believer in miracles]

A bill to establish an authority responsible for preserving Muslim holy sites, for the first time since the creation of the state, will soon be brought before the Knesset.

The bill enjoys significant support from Jewish religious figures, including Chief Sephardi Rabbi Shlomo Amar.

"We are realistic and rational, and we are not seeking to frighten the public," he said. "The reality today is different from that prior to 1948, and we are want to be fair. It is time that the matter be dealt with in a humanistic-religious spirit."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/938572.html

Rabbi Shlomo Amar is one of the three rabbis who came to see Bush re: the Temple Mount pre-Annapolis


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124132


(IsraelNN.com) Israel’s Chief Rabbis and the Chief Rabbi of Haifa have been invited to the White House for pre-Annapolis talks to explain the Jewish connection to the Temple Mount.

Chief Rabbis Yonah Metzger and Shlomo Amar, as well as the Chief Rabbi of Haifa and Chairman of the Chief Rabbinate Communications Committee Rabbi She'ar-Yashuv Cohen departed Saturday evening for a series of meetings to clarify to US leaders that the Temple Mount is Judaism's holiest site.


He is also mixed up with the Noahide laws for anyone following...to read this article you have to go to the left and scroll down with the arrow at the bottom

http://shturem.net/index.php?section=news&id=16468&lang=english&layout=prn&lang=english


Amar said that on this day, the 13th anniversary of the death of Lubavitcher Rabbi Menahem Mendel Schneerson, it was timely to recall Schneerson's emphasis on teaching the Seven Noahide Laws to all gentiles, which includes a prohibition against bloodshed. According to Jewish tradition, God commanded Noah and all his descendents, which include all gentiles, to adhere to the seven laws.

"The residents of Gaza are also the sons of Noah," said Amar. "They, too, must abide by the Seven Noahide Laws."


Amar said he sent letters to several Muslim spiritual leaders notifying them he was interested in jumpstarting the peace process. Amar explained to the clerics that according to Jewish law, parts of the land of Israel may be ceded to Palestinians in exchange for peace.


***Remember from the Noahide site...Bush was dissussing "The Roadmap to Peace Based on The 7 universal laws of Noah"

http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=456&Parent=88

[Believer in miracles]

Sanhedrin demand right to pray on the Temple Mount

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59375

JERUSALEM – Rabbinic leaders and Temple Mount activist groups here today demanded the Israeli government allow Jews to pray on the Temple Mount – Judaism's holiest site.

Israeli restrictions forbid Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount and only allow Jews to ascend for certain hours on some days while the Mount is open to Muslims yearlong. Muslim prayer services take place throughout the day on the many mosques and Islamic religious schools situated on the holy site.

"We demand the Government of Israel allow the Jewish people to have freedom of religious expression on the Temple Mount. This will serve as a preliminary step in confirming the Jewish people's inexorable connection with the Temple Mount, location of the Holy Temple, under the sovereignty of the people of Israel," states a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert signed by the leaders of the New Jewish Congress, the Sanhedrin and the Holy Temple and Temple Mount movements.

The Congress is a group of religious Zionist leaders here while the Sanhedrin consists of prominent rabbinic leaders who in 2004 reformed the ancient group of Jewish judges that previously constituted the legislative body of Israel. The reformed Sanhedrin has been a subject of debate within some Jewish communities.

Story continues.......

[Galoutofdixie]

Thanks for this thread. Very interesting indeed! :hug

I think you may be onto something that needs to be watched closely. I could see these laws being a way to unite the world in a unified "one world religion".

Reading, well skimming through all of these posts, reminded me of a young Jewish man that used to come to this board, who had recently come to believe that Jesus was indeed the Messiah. Before that he wasn't a particularly religious Jew. But when he came to believe that Jesus was the Messiah, he was thrilled, but also scared to death that his family would find out. His last name was "Cohen".

He was deathly afraid of making a public proffession of faith and said things like, "if my family finds out they will disown me, I'll loose my job and any hope of finding a new job, he also said that he may even loose his life!

I could understand the disowning part, maybe even the loosing the job part as he worked in a family business. I could understand the not being able to find a new job too, as he said his family was quite influential... but until I read this article, I could not quite grasp the "loosing his life" part. Now, after reading this... it makes sense. Oh, he also lives in Israel. :nod

I talk to him from time to time. He's still afraid of accepting Jesus as his saviour but does believe that He is the Messiah. It is causing him much emotional turmoil. :(

[anath]

this is very interesting and something I will be following!
praying for our RR friend, Cohen :pray
never know, this man may be one of the future 144,000

[Buzzardhut]

The Noahides also reject Jesus (http://www.lamblion.com/articles/prophecy/Jews-Israel/Jews-07.php)

Theological liberals have long taken the position that Jews do not need Jesus. Their argument is that the Jewish people have a separate way of salvation - by grace through faith in God the Father as manifested in their obedience to Torah (the Law of Moses). This viewpoint is known as "Dual Covenant Theology." In other words, God has one covenant for the Jews (the Old Testament) and another for the Gentiles (the New Testament). This view reduces Jesus from a universal Savior to a Savior for the Gentiles only.
The Test of Scripture

Needless to say, this viewpoint is thoroughly un-Biblical. Jesus Himself said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6). Was Jesus deluded by visions of grandeur or was He God in the flesh proclaiming a fundamental truth?

Peter proclaimed the same truth to none other than the Sanhedrin Council (the highest council of Jewish religious leaders) when he said, "There is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). He had already identified that name as "Jesus Christ the Nazarene" (Acts 4:10).

Paul states in Romans that the Gospel itself was given by God first for the Jews (Romans 1:16). And in Romans 9:1-3 Paul mourns the fate of those Jews who have rejected Jesus as their Messiah. Speaking with great pathos, he writes: "I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh."
Spreading Apostasy

The Scriptures speak clearly to the fact that all people, including the Jews, need a Savior and that Jesus of Nazareth is that Savior - the one and only (I John 5:1-5).

Yet, this gross apostasy that denies the Jews' need for Jesus is beginning to spread within the Evangelical community. It can be found primarily among those scholars and preachers who have devoted themselves to a rediscovery of the Jewish roots of the church.

As they have researched the theologically rich spiritual writings of Judaism and have traveled in Israel and developed close Jewish friendships, they have allowed their hearts to overrule scripture. They simply cannot bring themselves to believe that such sincere people as the orthodox Jews have no hope apart from Jesus.

A tragic example of a Christian minister led astray by this misguided sentimentalism is Vendyl Jones of Arlington, Texas. Vendyl started out as a Southern Baptist preacher. As he led expeditions to Israel in search of the ashes of the red heifer, he began to buy into the dual covenant theology. He made this radical shift public when he published his heretical book, "Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up?"

Since that time, Jones has completely abandoned the Christian faith. He now denies the deity of Jesus, and he has developed a new cult called the Noahides. This cult, made up mainly of former Southern Baptists, maintains that Gentiles must justify themselves before God by following the seven laws of Noah.
Messiah or Not?

One common theme that runs through the writings of these Evangelical proponents of dual covenant theology is that Jesus never claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. This claim is, of course, absurd.

During Jesus' conversation with the Samaritan woman at the well, she responded to His amazing revelations about her life by observing that the promised Messiah would be able to make similar revelations. Jesus replied, "I who speak to you am He" (John 4:25-26).

The Pharisees and Sadducees (the religious leaders of the Jews) had no problem recognizing Jesus' Messianic claim. On one occasion Jesus told them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am" (John 8:58). Later, Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). Both times the Jewish leaders reacted with outrage, accusing Jesus of blasphemy because, as they put it, "You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God" (John 10:33).

After Jesus was arrested, He was brought before the Sanhedrin. The High Priest asked Him, "Are You the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?" Jesus replied, "I am; and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven" (Mark 14:61-62). The High Priest was so enraged by this response that he tore his clothes, condemned Jesus of blasphemy, and declared Him to be deserving of the death penalty.
The Jewish Need

People are not saved by sincerity. If they were, then all Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses would be saved. The only hope any person has is through faith in Jesus.

Jews desperately need Jesus. It is a perverted love that says, "I love the Jewish people too much to share Jesus with them because I don't want to offend them." Dual covenant theology is one of the most convoluted forms of anti-Semitism because it is willing, in the name of love, to allow millions of Jews to go to hell.

Tens of thousands of Jews have turned to Jesus in recent years, and Messianic congregations are springing up all across America. Their fulfillment as Jews has come through the evangelistic efforts of ministries like Jews for Jesus, Friends of Israel, Ariel Ministries, and many others.

The key to success here has been Jews witnessing to Jews and emphasizing in the process that Jews do not have to renounce their Jewish heritage in order to accept Yeshua as their Savior. By contrast, ever since the Fourth Century the church has given Jews the impression that they must forsake their Jewishness and become Gentiles in order to be accepted as Christians.

But despite the success that has been experienced in recent years in Jewish evangelism, the Bible teaches that the great remnant of the Jews who will one day accept Jesus will do so only after they have experienced a period of unparalleled tribulation, referred to in Jeremiah 30:7 as "the time of Jacob's trouble." In short, the Jewish people will have to be pounded with the wrath of Man, Satan and God before they are brought to the point where they will be willing "to look upon Him whom they have pierced" and repent (Zech. 12:10).

This concept of a future period of overwhelming tribulation during which two-thirds of the Jewish people will perish (Zech. 13:8) is also anathema to those who are enamored with dual covenant theology. They reject the concept completely even though it is emphasized repeatedly in the Hebrew scriptures (Deut. 4:30, Isa. 2:10-19, Dan. 12:1, Joel 3:12-14, Zeph. 1-3, Zech. 13:7 - 14:9, and Mal. 3:1-4).

Once again, they allow their sentimentality to overrule scripture. They simply cannot believe that God will allow His Chosen People to experience such a holocaust. But there can be no salvation apart from repentance, and the Bible says it will take a period of incredible tribulation to bring the Jewish people to the end of themselves - to the point where they will be willing to bend their knees and confess Yeshua as their Messiah.
Jewish Evangelism

One final point. Most Messianic Jews have such an overwhelming desire to share Jesus with their people, that they often express open contempt for Jewish oriented ministries that are not evangelistic.

This is most unfortunate. We must keep in mind that God does not raise up every Evangelical ministry to be evangelistic.

Take Lamb & Lion Ministries for example. This ministry is primarily a discipling ministry whose message is mainly aimed at professing Christians, using God's prophetic Word to call Christians to holiness. James Dobson's ministry, Focus on the Family, is Evangelical but not evangelistic. God raised it up to teach and defend family values. In like manner, Don Wildmon's ministry, the American Family Association, has been established by God to stand for righteousness against pornography and against violence and immorality in movies and television programs.

One of the Jewish-oriented ministries that has been attacked by many Messianic Jews is Bridges for Peace. The claim is often made that Bridges has "sold out the Gospel" in its love for Israel. This criticism is unjustified.

Bridges is a thoroughly Evangelical ministry, but God has not called it to be evangelistic. Instead, God has raised it up to be a source of love to the Jewish people, to be a comfort to Zion in the name of Yeshua. Bridges is doing exactly what God has called it to do, and God is blessing the ministry abundantly.

[Buzzardhut]

this is very interesting and something I will be following!
praying for our RR friend, Cohen :pray
never know, this man may be one of the future 144,000
or maybe not :idunno

[Believer in miracles]

Re: post 27 and Mr. Cohen's fear re: perhaps even losing his life for accepting Jesus(see Deut. 13 below).......I was listening to Israel radio for a time. You sure get to know how they feel about Jesus.

One day Malkah Fleisher was co-hosting on this one particular show...and I was shocked to hear her actually state on Israel National Radio (in a sly reference to Christians trying to convert Jews) that if anyone tries to take a Jew from their God they should be put to death. She went on to read from Deuteronomy 13.

1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

11And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

Maybe these are the same verses that scare Mr. Cohen

I was really stunned at the time to hear such talk from anyone (today)...let alone going all over the world via radio.

Matthew 10 talks about similar issues.

[ANewCreature]

Wow - that *is* scary.

At the same time..public profession cn be even on something such as this board. If a person from israel - or any restricted access nation - were to simply come on and profess their faith, I'm sure Christ would honor it. (And, who knows, maybe some have from those countries.)

I can understand the fear, though; I would expect words like that in North Korea, not Israel.