Purpose Driven Qws

[seekingtruth1]

Hi - i am familiar with Rick Warren's extracurricular activities that seem to play into a OWC ....but I was wondering what specifically you all can recall is perhaps not biblical form the book - Purpose DL

Anything stand out from memory?

[A Berean]

Hi - i am familiar with Rick Warren's extracurricular activities that seem to play into a OWC ....but I was wondering what specifically you all can recall is perhaps not biblical form the book - Purpose DL

Anything stand out from memory?

At the TOP of this Forum, Apostasy, is Sticky #3 by Buzzardhut- read it and it will tell you everything you need to know that's WRONG with the PDL:wave.

[seekingtruth1]

At the TOP of this Forum, Apostasy, is Sticky #3 by Buzzardhut- read it and it will tell you everything you need to know that's WRONG with the PDL:wave.

Hi yes I had gone through that but what I saw was they list what he writes and what NASB says....I was looking for something that woudl spoon feed it to me - I dont have the time to go through the ehole book and in reading what i read nothing stood out - it was more he just paraphrased what the Bible was saying....Anyway thanks...

[BlessedinHim]

That is the thing with the devils antics these days. The problems are so subtle, it is hard to detect without looking back and seeing where you have been to where you are headed. They dont tell you where you are headed. They take scripture and add or twist or redefine it just a little so it sounds ok. but when you really examine it and pick it apart, it is there. The PDL is man centered, it is not God centered.

[Train]

Here's a couple questionable quotes from PDL:

p. 80: You can’t call Jesus your Lord when you refuse to obey Him.

Faith makes Jesus our Lord, not obedience. It is true of course that refusing to obey God is spiritually dangerous.

p. 95: Jesus made it clear that obedience is a condition of intimacy with God.

Again, obedience is not the basis for our intimacy with God.

p. 175: God waits for you to act first.

Not true: “While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8) God comes to us and then we respond.

p. 180: Every choice has eternal consequences, so you had better chose wisely.

This one just continues the trend of putting the burden on you rather than encouraging you to put your burdens on Christ.

p ?? “Five acts of worship that will make God smile: love Him supremely, trust Him completely, obey Him wholeheartedly, praise and thank Him continually.” (I'm not sure what page that one is on.)

God smiles when he looks at us because we have been washed in the blood of the Lamb. When He looks at us, He sees Christ. (Galatians 3:27)


It may be that each of these quotes could be explained away, or understood in a Biblically sound way. But taken as a whole they point to PDL being, as BlessedinHim said, a man-centered doctrine.

[seekingtruth1]

Thanks - ffod for thought. I am most concerend about his New agey and OWR alliances...he also was really wish washy about salvation when i saw him on King not as bad as Osteen but concerning.


Here's a couple questionable quotes from PDL:



Faith makes Jesus our Lord, not obedience. It is true of course that refusing to obey God is spiritually dangerous.



Again, obedience is not the basis for our intimacy with God.



Not true: “While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8) God comes to us and then we respond.



This one just continues the trend of putting the burden on you rather than encouraging you to put your burdens on Christ.

(I'm not sure what page that one is on.)

God smiles when he looks at us because we have been washed in the blood of the Lamb. When He looks at us, He sees Christ. (Galatians 3:27)


It may be that each of these quotes could be explained away, or understood in a Biblically sound way. But taken as a whole they point to PDL being, as BlessedinHim said, a man-centered doctrine.

[Sing4Him]

Train-- great response.

Seeking-- one thing that REALLY is concerning is on Day 11 ? I believe ( I am at my daughter's home right now so I do not have the book in hand)

if you read that particular day, Rick Warren promotes Breath prayers/ centering

This is all OCCULT, Contemplative Spirituality.. with it's roots in Eastern Mysticism.

Please open the book and scan it and let me know which day this is on, I am pretty sure it is day 11.

(then see Contemplative spirituality threads on here and a sticky called Spiritual Disciplines and Formation by Bob Dewaay)

It is shocking to see this right before your eyes in the book. When I first read this book years ago, I missed this completely!

[BlessedinHim]

I have the book, too, started reading it, but never really got into it.

[Because_He_Lives!]

Someone had given me the PDL book a good while before I became a Christian. I never read it, but still had it and then when I became a Christian and saw things in a new light, I tossed the book in the trash dumpster.

[JustinSolo]

I have noticed that some of these books can be read with a correct view of scripture for the most part. At the same time they can be read with the wrong view of scripture. We did PDL in one of our classes at church and I did not even know there was controversy around it because it was filtered through a correct teaching of scripture.

In fact, my Dad once taught a class off a Joel Osteen book. I never even knew who he was at the time(neither did my dad). We were both shocked to watch some youtube clips of him spouting garbage weeks after the class ended. It never occurred to me that Osteen was a bad teacher because my Dad filtered it through a rock strong foundation of scripture.

You can't fail with the Bible. That is why I don't really read Christian books. Especially now.