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Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel taught Serpent Seed when I watched him on TV years ago. At first blush it does seem plausible, but his teachings led to the aforementioned racism and discrimination. There was much about him that made me run.

[Kelly4C]

Serpent seed doctrine is dangerous heresy.

It promotes racism and discrimination, saying that people alive today may be 'descendants of Satan'.

Hmm. Well I don't know how I feel about that part of the doctrine... If that were true...that they are still alive today..how could you know who is who? I don't think it would be outwardly obvious as in a "race" that we could point out. I think it's a case for predestination. But if you read what SeaShell wrote and study it in Genesis you might wonder why it is worded as such. ANd why was the punishment to be pain in childbirth...desire for the husband...enmity between 2 "seeds"....and when their eyes were opened to "good and evil" what was the first thing they realized? That they were naked. And why wasn't Cain's offering good enough? That is one thing I wondered about when I was young and read that but now it makes sense.

John 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

1 John 3:12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous.

[Joel]

Genesis 4:1 ~ AND ADAM knew Eve as his wife (sexually), and she became pregnant and bore Cain; and she said, I have gotten and gained a man with the help of the Lord.

Cain was a descendant from Adam, not the Serpent. Saying otherwise is contrary to the plainly revealed word of God.


And why wasn't Cain's offering good enough? That is one thing I wondered about when I was young and read that but now it makes sense.

Scriptures delineates the difference for us, per the apostle who penned Hebrews:

Hebrews 11:4 ~ [Prompted, actuated] by faith Abel brought God a better and more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, because of which it was testified of him that he was righteous [that he was upright and in right standing with God], and God bore witness by accepting and acknowledging his gifts. And though he died, yet [through the incident] he is still speaking.





Albert Barnes:


Heb 11:4 -
By faith Abel offered - see Gen_4:4-5. In the account in Genesis of the offering made by Abel, there is no mention of “faith” - as is true also indeed of most of the instances referred to by the apostle. The account in Genesis is, simply, that Abel “brought of the firstlings of his flock, and the fat thereof, and that the Lord had respect to Abel and his offering.” Men have speculated much as to the reason why the offering of Abel was accepted, and that of Cain rejected; but such speculation rests on no certain basis, and the solution of the apostle should be regarded as decisive and satisfactory, that in the one case there was faith, in the other not.

[Joel]

My question is this.....


Genesis 4:6-7 ~ And the Lord said to Cain: Why are you angry? And why do you look sad and depressed and dejected? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin crouches at your door; its desire is for you, but you must master it.


If Cain was a descendant of Satan, and presumably 'predestined for Hell'... why does God give him an 'out' so to speak?

He advises and guides him, urging him to make the right decision and amend his faulty way of offering... why would God do that to someone who was a 'descendant of Satan'? He says to Cain that if he amends his ways he will be 'accepted'.

He's a human with free-will, just like Abel.

[Joel]

the original sin had something to do with sex, not the literal eating of a piece of fruit.

That's what Scripture says in very plain words.


Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, You may freely eat of every tree of the garden;
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and blessing and calamity you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

It had to do with Obedience, or lack thereof.
The entire frame of the story is centered around the tree, and the serpent's seduction to make the woman eat the fruit.

The point is clear. They ate the fruit. Their eyes were "opened". They "fell". They "died" spiritually.

That is frame by frame the actions that take place.
The Lord judges the serpent for tricking Eve into eating..
and judges Adam for willingly eating of the forbidden fruit.

It's about the fruit. Obeying God, or not.

[Joel]

I just posted this in the thread Gen 3:15 - enmity? (http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=11933)






If indeed satan's seed, then who could that be?

John 8:39 They retorted, Abraham is our father. Jesus said, If you were [truly] Abraham's children, then you would do the works of Abraham [follow his example, do as Abraham did].

John 8:40 But now [instead] you are wanting and seeking to kill Me, a Man Who has told you the truth which I have heard from God. This is not the way Abraham acted.

John 8:41 You are doing the works of your [own] father. They said to Him, We are not illegitimate children and born out of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

John 8:42 Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me and respect Me and welcome Me gladly, for I proceeded (came forth) from God [out of His very presence]. I did not even come on My own authority or of My own accord (as self-appointed); but He sent Me.

John 8:43 Why do you misunderstand what I say? It is because you are unable to hear what I am saying. [You cannot bear to listen to My message; your ears are shut to My teaching.]

John 8:44 You are of your father, the devil, and it is your will to practice the lusts and gratify the desires [which are characteristic] of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar [himself] and the father of lies and of all that is false.




It seems to me those who 'follow in the footsteps' of Satan are considered like unto his children. All those 'unsaved' and 'apostate'.

All the righteous are considered 'sons of God'.
All the unrighteous are considered sons of the Devil.

[CountryBumpkin]

I think there is definitely a ring of truth in the Serpent seed doctrine...or at the very least, that the original sin had something to do with sex, not the literal eating of a piece of fruit. A lot of things begin to make a LOT more sense when you learn about this and read studies on this doctrinal interpretation.
:ohno Cults have grown out of this false doctrine and souls are lost because of this. William Branham taught this doctrine and believed he was the Elijah to come. He also taught that the concept of the Trinity was of the devil. There are thousands around the world who still follow his message.

If you believe this then you are being deceived and I pray that you will ask God to reveal the truth to you, for this is dangerous thinking. When God said a fruit He meant a fruit, even though you may not understand the hows and whys of it. When Adam and Eve ate of this fruit it; 1). Because of their disobedience their physical perfect bodies began to die ( the particular fruit in some way poisoned their cells perhaps) and 2). Because of their disobedience they spiritually died ( hence the plan of redemption and the need for a second Adam).

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:


Arthur Custance explains it well:

"That which bears the image of Adam is Adam's. That which bears the image of God is God's. It is all a question of whose image it is. The man stamped with the image of God belongs to God, is His possession, His Man, His Child.
Elsewhere in Scripture the Image is similarly taken as a symbol of belonging: he who bears the image of God belongs to God. Colossians 3:10 tells us that the recovery of the image is a creative act. Romans 8:29 tells us that the elect are predestined to the recovery of this image and that in the process, by becoming a brother of Christ, we recover our sonship of God. By direct creation Adam, while he bore the image of God, was thereby identified as a son of God (Luke 3:38) and accordingly, He who later bore the express image of the Father was the Son of God (Hebrews 1:3) -- a Second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45).
Now while Adam himself was created with this image, his disobedience so robbed him of it that all his children thereafter bore not the image of God but his -- and even his likeness (Genesis 5:3). In this particular passage, it will also be noticed that in verse 1 the fact is re-affirmed that originally when God created man, He also appointed him to be in His own likeness. The change of verb in this carefully worded sentence bears out the beautiful sense that Scripture makes provided that one treats it with sufficient care. In verse 3, it is stated that Adam's children were not merely "his sons," so that by this relationship they bore his image, but in the end their characters developed as his, so that they also came to bear his likeness. In this we once again see confirmation of the vital distinction between the words "image" and "likeness," for it is apparent that the image is that which establishes relationship, and likeness is that which establishes similarity of character. In the matter of the relationship, the choice is not ours, either in natural generation or, in the final analysis, in supernatural generation, as Romans 8:29 and John 1:12 and 13 assure us.
On the other hand, I John 3:1 and 2 have these comforting words for the Christian:
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
We have here, then, a double assurance. First of all, the image has even now been re-created. This is a present fact guaranteeing our sonship, recovering for us by a creative act of God the relationship with Him which effectively makes us men in the sense that Adam was a man.
Secondly, there is the further guarantee that how ever much we may fail in this mortal life to achieve a true likeness to God in Christ, we shall one day, nevertheless, see that likeness perfected, assured of awakening with it as David also was assured.
The fact is, of course, that man bears the image not of unfallen Adam but of fallen Adam, of Adam after he lost the image of God. And until this Image is re-created in man, he cannot possibly achieve any God-like character."

[seashell]

To play the advocate here of the view that Originial Sin had something to do with sex. God often refers to sex as fruit. Here are some examples:

Genesis:
30:2And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?

Exodus:21:22If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her

Psalms 21-21:9Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.

21:10Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.

21:11For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, which they are not able to perform.

21:12Therefore shalt thou make them turn their back, when thou shalt make ready thine arrows upon thy strings against the face of them


Song of Solomons

2:3As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

4:16Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.

[HEpaid4me]

um.... he believes in planet X:tinfoil


Ok I must be ignorant or something what is planet X and what is the big deal if demons had sex with some insane women? Am I looking over something here? I mean it is interesting but what is the message suppose to be teaching? I'm covered by the blood of Jesus I'm not worried about half demon and half human my God is stronger and BIGGER. Am I wrong and being over bearing?:scratch

[scrappergirl]

To play the advocate here of the view that Originial Sin had something to do with sex. God often refers to sex as fruit. Here are some examples:

Genesis:
30:2And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?

Exodus:21:22If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her

Psalms 21-21:9Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.

21:10Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.

21:11For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, which they are not able to perform.

21:12Therefore shalt thou make them turn their back, when thou shalt make ready thine arrows upon thy strings against the face of them


Song of Solomons



correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't FRUIT above pertain to the PRODUCT our OUTCOME of sex and not the actual act itself?

the fruit of someone's womb is not sex, its a baby.