Nephilim, Demons, Cloning, Aliens, UFOs

[Tall Timbers]

It is in Footsteps.

He says it is one of the (many) things Satan will do in the "counterfeits" of Christ.

I'm looking for it now in Footsteps, but am having trouble finding his description of the origin of the antichrist. Would you have the page number?

[Christina]

I'm looking for it now in Footsteps, but am having trouble finding his description of the origin of the antichrist. Would you have the page number?

Yes, if someone could reference the page number I'd love to check it out. I just started reading this book so don't have much of an opinion on it yet although...Frucht does make it clear at the beginning of the book that there will be a couple of views voiced BUT they are still from a dispensational, pre-trib, pre-mill view. He also states that his view will not always be meet with full agreement even by those who share his approach. The book is written to instruct and share his view. Nowhere does he claim that it's his way and any other view is wrong. I think it's a great way to stimulate others into study. There is no one perfect teacher which is why everything is referenced back to scripture.

[Jacinth]

I'm looking for it now in Footsteps, but am having trouble finding his description of the origin of the antichrist. Would you have the page number?I do not know which version of the book you have...

But mine is in Chapter 10 - "The Events of the First Half of the Tribulation"

Page 213.

If someone wants me to quote it I can do that. :)

[Tall Timbers]

Okay, found it. On page 212-213 of Footsteps of the Messiah:

"...From this passage then, it can be deduced that satan will counterfeit the virgin conception and will some day impregnate a Roman woman who will give birth to Satan'/s seed who is going to be the antichrist. The woman herself may not be a virgin, but the conception of antichrist will have a supernatural origin."

The verse Fruch refers to is Genesis 3:15: And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed: he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.

He also refers to II Thes 2:9: Even he, whose coming it according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders....

On the surpernatural origin, I'll personally take a wait and see on that... though I have a tremendous respect for Fruch's logic and interpretation of scripture on it, and I believe it is possible for it to happen as Fruch says.

Thanks showussthefather... saw your post after I posted this one...

[Jacinth]

I bought the book about 2 summers ago, was excited about it until I got about half way through, 2 many red alarms blaring in my head, I stopped reading it.
It's a big and heavy impressive scholarly book, but I disagreed with too much of the doctrine suggested.

Ask Chris, I was highly disappointed cuz I had placed my summer schedule aside for studying the bookBuzz can you off the top of your head list what other alarms went off as far as doctrine?

And what did you think about his timing on events?

Thank you for the alternative book recommendations.:thumb

[Jacinth]

There is no one perfect teacher which is why everything is referenced back to scripture.Yes of course Christina :hug

I bought the book awhile back, wanted it badly, as I liked his website.

There are people all over this board who like him, and other have prooblems...

Did you read the spot for yourself yet?

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On the surpernatural origin, I'll personally take a wait and see on that... though I have a tremendous respect for Fruch's logic and interpretation of scripture on it, and I believe it is possible for it to happen as Fruch says....This is why I said earlier that I didn't think "RR" would approve considering their stance on the "demon seed", and this is the logic that Frucht uses to form his Counterfeit son theory.

[Christina]

Yes of course Christina :hug

I bought the book awhile back, wanted it badly, as I liked his website.

There are people all over this board who like him, and other have prooblems...

Did you read the spot for yourself yet?

I read what TT posted because I read it as I saw your reference. As I said, I haven't read enough into the book yet, I just got it a few days ago. I could jump to this topic specifically but I want to read the book as it's written and as I read along I will look towards the Lord for understanding. For right now, when it comes to supernaturally, anything is possible so my jury is still out on this issue.

That's the thing, there are many teachers listed on this board and there are always those who enjoy their teaching and others who have problems with them, it all depends on one's belief. Some people like Frutch's writings and see him as a strong preacher of the word and others have issues with his teachings, I don't think there will ever be one teacher where everyone agrees with their teachings.

Buzz, can you reference for me where in the Bible does it say that the AC will be a human (as we know and understand the word human?)

[Buzzardhut]

I read what TT posted because I read it as I saw your reference. As I said, I haven't read enough into the book yet, I just got it a few days ago. I could jump to this topic specifically but I want to read the book as it's written and as I read along I will look towards the Lord for understanding. For right now, when it comes to supernaturally, anything is possible so my jury is still out on this issue.

That's the thing, there are many teachers listed on this board and there are always those who enjoy their teaching and others who have problems with them, it all depends on one's belief. Some people like Frutch's writings and see him as a strong preacher of the word and others have issues with his teachings, I don't think there will ever be one teacher where everyone agrees with their teachings.

Buzz, can you reference for me where in the Bible does it say that the AC will be a human (as we know and understand the word human?)
Since you already have it I recommend reading it to know what it says
I already checked and he doesn't have an index for antichrist
I'll skim through the chapters

[Christina]

yep, it's way out
the AC is just a human (like Obama - who is not the AC)
but he get's possessed by satan himself
most lost humans get possessed by demons, but to be possessed by satan himself will be very powerful
no such thing as demon seeds, totally unscriptural
angels cannot produce offspring with women any more than a deer or a bear can offspring with humans

No, what I meant was can you give me scripture reference that I can read that states that the AC will be a human as we know and understand the term "human"? I'm going to read the book because I find the study to be an interesting one and I respect Frucht as a teacher but again, I will look to the Lord for discernment and understanding and will reference all Frucht's scirpture references as well.

I do have a question though...you say no such thing as demon seeds and that it's totally unscriptural but if you read the Genesis references that Frucht gives, his interpretation makes sense and on the other hand so does the reference of inter marriage between Cainites and Sethites. Both make sense but in the end, it comes down to how a person interprets those verses (Genesis 6:2-4) although...I don't know about other bible versions but my KJV in verse 4 says "There were giants in the earth in those days..." whereas the article has (Frucht's Demonology article, not his book) verse 4 as saying "...The Nephilim were in the earth in those days...", I'm not sure what version Frucht uses in the article but in his book he references the ASV of 1901. Is there a version out there that references verse 6 as using Nephilims instead of giants? (This is why bible versions are so important to me) :scratch

[Buzzardhut]

No, what I meant was can you give me scripture reference that I can read that states that the AC will be a human as we know and understand the term "human"? I'm going to read the book because I find the study to be an interesting one and I respect Frucht as a teacher but again, I will look to the Lord for discernment and understanding and will reference all Frucht's scirpture references as well.

I do have a question though...you say no such thing as demon seeds and that it's totally unscriptural but if you read the Genesis references that Frucht gives, his interpretation makes sense and on the other hand so does the reference of inter marriage between Cainites and Sethites. Both make sense but in the end, it comes down to how a person interprets those verses (Genesis 6:2-4) although...I don't know about other bible versions but my KJV in verse 4 says "There were giants in the earth in those days..." whereas the article has (Frucht's Demonology article, not his book) verse 4 as saying "...The Nephilim were in the earth in those days...", I'm not sure what version Frucht uses in the article but in his book he references the ASV of 1901. Is there a version out there that references verse 6 as using Nephilims instead of giants? (This is why bible versions are so important to me) :scratch
Fru does not like the KJV and favors the ASV
nephilim and giants is the same thing
the contention is what they were and where they came from
scripture references of the AC consider him a man, not a half man
http://www.buzzardhut.net/Prophecy.pdf
http://www.carm.org/questions/about-doctrine/who-or-what-antichrist