Nephilim, Demons, Cloning, Aliens, UFOs

[silent one]

Just a lot of people seem to be writing and talking about the return of the Nephelim as a possibility, because that would make the end times be "as the days of Noah". I also heard a mention of Daniel where he's talking about the last empire with the clay mix for feet and how there "seed" would not mix well with the clay? Just curious what everyone thinks about these things and has anyone researched it?

[silent one]

Where would I find them Christina? I tried typing in Nephelim but couldn't find anything.

[Megan]

Where would I find them Christina? I tried typing in Nephelim but couldn't find anything.

Nephilim.

But I type it in, and found nothing either. So I'm not sure. SORRY!

[Christina]

Where would I find them Christina? I tried typing in Nephelim but couldn't find anything.

They are in the Archives but not sure under which forum. You can ask Buzz, he has a website as well that has alot of info on this posted...

As it was in the days of Noah could simply mean the violence at that time and our time being similar or the fact that they were eating and drinking and giving in marriage, living life as if nothing was wrong, very low morality level, etc.....the Bible doesn't specify that it meant anything to do with fallen angels breeding with humans...that is just someone's "reading into" scripture.

[Hope in Him]

I did a search for you through the Tin Foil Shed....that was where the thread was on the Nephilim was once upon a time. I wrote a paper on the Nephilim for a mythology class when in college. Interesting subject. I read through that thread way back then....lol, like a year ago! Buzzard Hut had some interesting stuff in there and another guy from RR emailed some things as well. The thread was really long...lots of people going this is crazy and others who believed in it deeply. To me it is one of those subjects that is interesting but I can see it both ways.....I'll find out when I get to heaven and my salvation isn't dependant on it.....so it is all good! LOL

I also googled for information....some of that was kind of strange.....but as I said it is interesting to read all the theories. Happy researching!

[Eleora]

I wrote a paper on the Nephilim for a mythology class when in college. Interesting subject.

Same here... Pulled some of the information from the Book of Enoch (which is only canon, from what I understand, in the Coptic church). Interesting material though...around the age of the book of Daniel...allegedly quoted in Jude...mentions pre-existent Christ.

At any rate, there is just so much that we don't know. It's interesting to discuss and read about, but I find that I stay on the narrow path much better when I don't get distracted from that our Savior. I've seen some books out that refer to 2012, Nephilim, etc... I don't know...don't care. Just give me Jesus.

[Robert]

I'm surprised this thread is still open. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that humans crossbred with fallen angels, that is one interpretation of the word "giants" in Genesis 6:1-4. It does not specify these were angels breeding with humans.

There is alot of information already posted on this site about this, you can maybe check with the search engine and check for them, they're quite extensive.

Right Christina. :thumb

I've never bough the thing about the "nephilim" either. If it were so, the bible would have been a LOT clearer.

[Traveling Through]

I don't know much about them. I actually thought nephilim were the offspring of fallen angels and human females. Am I wrong? I've done some research on them, but have yet to figure it out. I know that the word actually means "Giant" though. Are they just actually fallen angels and that's that?

Here are some verses.

Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6: 1-4

And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. Numbers 13:32-33


Sorry I couldn't be of any help.

There are valid Biblical authorities who do believe that fallen angels cohabitated with earth women and offspring were born. There are people here who think that space-aliens came to earth and cohabitated with earth women which resulted in offspring. I am willing to go along with "sons-of-God" being fallen angels. Personally, I haven't seen anything in the Holy Bible that suggests space angels took earth women as mates.

[1angel4u]

From the RR homepage:

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=005390852535131231142%3A3pao38vjm5w&cof=FORID%3A0&q=nephilim&sa=Search

From Jack Kelley's Grace Thru Faith site:

http://gracethrufaith.com/?s=nephilim

[Buzzardhut]

Will they return before the end times? Just wondering about the Bible talking about "as it was in the days of Noah" and many think the Nephelim were amoung humans then and that is why Noah was described as pure in his generations (untainted by Nephelim cross breeding)?

What do you think? I put this here in AG but it might belong in that funny little shed.

The Nephilim theory is cleverly orchestrated folklore which can only survive extra biblical mythological sources.
Nephilim theories cannot be honestly extracted from biblical text without the necessary external sources involved.
It centers around the theory that satan has the power to reproduce with his own seed (sperm), including cross breeding with humans, which began as a myth that satan had sex with Eve in the garden producing Cain the murderer, which scripture never implies.

Study the Serpent's Seed doctrine for more extra-biblical conclusions such as the Antichrist is a "Rosemary's Baby" type offspring also waiting in the shadows. Satan does not know when the rapture is and could never time a birth and maturing of his own AC child even if he had reproductive gifts - which are only intended for humans anyway and never supported with scripture.

This theory further states the descendants of Cain are, therefore, the descendants of the Devil himself, not just spiritually in terms of attitude, but literally in terms of their physical bodies. The aim of this doctrine is to account for certain races of people on Earth in our time-primarily those who are called, by most people, Jews. The proponents of the Satan's Seed theory allege that the modern Jews are impostors, not descended from Abraham, through his great grandson Judah, at all but rather from the genealogical line of Cain. Since the biblical account seems to indicate that all mankind today is descended from Noah, as only Noah's family survived the Flood, there is a need to account for how the Satanic line of Cain passed through the Flood. This is usually accomplished by postulating that the Flood did not actually cover the whole planet, but rather was localized in the Middle East. Thus descendants of Cain survived elsewhere.
http://www.biblestudy.org/beginner/definition-of-christian-terms/satan-seed.html

This also leads into more extra biblical false teachings such as Inccubi, Succubi, and other angelic procreations and clonings.

The myth teaches Genesis 6 describing a flood that destroyed and washed the Nephilim away, but traditional extra biblical texts in reality claim God did not succeed with His plan to destroy them because somehow they survived, seen in Numbers, and are lurking in the shadows to re-appear at any moment such as during the tribulation - the demons from the bottomless pit are not unchained fallen angels.

The angels bound in hell were more than likely bound during the fall of satan, not bound after mating with humans (if they could even do that with demon sperm taht can fertilize human eggs),
extra traditions teach the lost souls or spirits of dead Nephilim are the demons - which is also false cuz demons are just fallen angels, not dead Nephilim spirits, these false claims always spiral outward multiplying other false claims leaving a cesspool of mythology passed off as theology, even a pre-Adamic race.

Studying this Nephilim phenomena always leads into sorcery combined with ufology, conduct a web search on the Nephilim and notice all the occultism involved with it. This makes exciting Narnia type reading but it's not a spiritually nourishing Christian study, the doctrine is full of holes, assumptions, errors, and is eisegesis (reading into the text) rather than good exegesis (extracting information directly from the text).

No one can teach the Nephilim theory by extracting scripture word for word without sidetracking into extra-biblical sources, traditions, myths, and other folklore, it cannot be done without always making the sons of God always mean fallen angels when it can honestly also mean a follower of Adam's faith given by God in the garden, which Abel held - the shed blood atonement for salvation, Adam believed sacrifice for salvation and was accounted unto him as righteousness.

which is why we added:
[06] Do not promote false teachings , false prophets, heretical movements, paganism,................... false scriptures such as the Pseudepigrapha , Apocrypha, Bible codes, Ufology, Inccubi, Succubi, Angelic procreation and cloning, demon seeds, or any other extra biblical preoccupations with demonic and extrasensory beliefs.........

There are alternatives to the sons of God being Nephilm -such as the line of Seth theory http://www.tektonics.org/gk/gen6.html
http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/nephilim.html#Kw4GygOpSc4p
http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/Documents/Nephilim.htm (Hebraic source - non Christian)
http://www.yrm.org/sons_of_elohim.htm
http://www.biblestudy.org/question/who-are-the-nephilim.html
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/nephils.html
http://www.carm.org/questions/about-doctrine/what-are-nephilim

I have no idea why Nephilim teachings are popular among well seasoned preachers/teachers :idunno but it does make great book sales, as anything extrasensory or sensational always does. :sad


There are valid Biblical authorities who do believe that fallen angels cohabitated with earth women and offspring were born. but no valid biblical support, we hold to the priesthood of the believer, no higher levels of valid authorities, unless you are claiming the authority of the educational level, of which I would also be included.


There are people here who think that space-aliens came to earth and cohabitated with earth women which resulted in offspring.
yes, the space alien theory, no scriptural support


I am willing to go along with "sons-of-God" being fallen angels. Personally, I haven't seen anything in the Holy Bible that suggests space angels took earth women as mates.nor fallen angels

http://buzzardhut.net/Neph.htm


Genesis 6:3 My spirit will not strive with man Genesis 6:5 God was angry with man, emphasis is always upon man, not angels
fallen angels are never called sons of God - they are unclean spirits - (Job 1:6 - satan came also - God does not consider satan a son of God)
fallen angels never appear with bodies in scripture - fallen angels try to possess bodies - you need a human body to reproduce
other sons of God - Exodus 4:22 (Israel is my son - son of God); Hosea 1:10 (Israel are sons of the living God- God is the father of Israel- Israel the son)
PreAdamic race and spiritism is a false teaching
Angels cannot reproduce, - Matthew 22 - we will be as the angels - no reproduction in heaven
Jude 1:5-7 contrasted with II Peter 2:4-22 - God judges the angels who left their habitation - chained after leaving heaven in Tartarus.



Same here... Pulled some of the information from the Book of Enoch (which is only canon, from what I understand, in the Coptic church). Interesting material though...around the age of the book of Daniel...allegedly quoted in Jude...mentions pre-existent Christ.

The Book Of Enoch is not accepted canon, Coptics are liturgical anyway, the liturgicals bring in extra biblical books to support traditions of men, such as soul sleep, prayers for the dead, purgatory by using books acclaimed as "lost books of the Bible!" assigned as the Apocrypha and even Pseudepigrapha ,




Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6: 1-4

And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. Numbers 13:32-33
Placing these two passages together implies God's flood did not accomplish as He intended,

Did God intend to drown man in the flood or drown Nephilim (offspring of angels/women - giants)?

God intended to drown out wicked man in the flood and saved Noah's family on the Ark

Placing the giants in Numbers as still existing after the flood implies the Nephilim survived the flood and God failed in drowning them out.