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blitzkreig
January 21st, 2008, 09:49 PM
After MUCH personal experience I do have a few hints if someone does really want to "get into their Bible" but are having difficulty. Find that it is difficult to "follow".

From an old guy to you ... :preach

A big part of the motivation to study (you know ... that it is when it is so fascinating that you really don't want to put the Book down for the night ... kind of motivation) ... is "personal discovery".

Of course I believe that when it comes to such "personal discovery" it is actually the Spirit who is "turning your lights on" ... But knowing "where to dig" for such "discovery" surely doesn't hurt ... and for that you need to have that "primer". The "primer" is a "key" to "rightly divide the word of truth".

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. It really doesn't work to have some one out and "tell you" the message. It really doesn't work that way. That is why so many sermons are just down right FLAT. Well meaning ... but flat. I can't "tell you" either ... but I know that if you use the "right tools" to "cut the Word Straight" you are more than just part way there to finding the "light switch".

One tool I would most heartily recommend is an "OLD Scofield Study Bible".

Now I stress it is the OLD Scofield which you want ... not the "New Revised Scofield" ... it just isn't the same. Scofield was long dead by the time the "New" one came about. Newer is often not better and definitely is not better in this case.

The "Old Scofield" has study notes and these have "chain references" ... without which it is very difficult to get "traction" on some topics of study.

The study is "dispensational" and so the notes will emphasize the "Rapture" and is "PreMillenial" and "Pre-Trib" as well. You need the "dispensational aspect" ... you will notice a crisp delineation between Israel and the Church. The one is NOT the other ... Israel has NOT been "replaced". Israel will come into her covenants including the Land covenant. That is at the root of "dispensational".

These same principles are what most of the folks on this forum believe (whether they understand they are dispensational or not).

You can get one from many sources ... but Oxford is the publisher and has the greatest variety. I heartily recommend the "Large Print" version. When you go ahead and get the regular size print one ... you will say "now I know what he meant" ... :idunno

Here is a list ... Oxford Press (http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/general/?view=usa&ss=price.asc&sf=featured&queryField=keyword&query=old+scofield&viewVeritySearchResults=true&searchType=&format=&title=&author=&keyword=&isbn=&fromMonthField=&fromYearField=&toMonthField=&toYearField=&subjCodes=&pr=50&bookCovers=yes&submit=Sort&view=usa&com.hesketh.taglib.autoform.formName=default.autof orm)

Yes ... it is the older "King James" English ... you will find the poetry in the language will make you stretch some ... but not as much as when Scofield takes you into the Greek or Hebrew rendition of different words ... which is were you have to go to get them really big "Pearls".

If you must ... have another translation open beside it ... after a while you will abandon the other translation and wish you had taken Greek in school instead of "French" ... but I digress ... :doh

Now once you get into "why it is that I have pointed you in that general direction" ... look into Scofield himself ... and some of his compatriots.

"Old Time" preachers ... some even going back into the "Philadelphia era" church (Rev 3:7) many decades ago.

Look into (Google) the preaching of Larkin, Robert Anderson, Pember, CH Mackintosh ... there are so many good authors with studies that can be had for free on the internet many who can be found from the Rapture Ready main page links.

Stand on their shoulders without apology. God gave us these old guys as surely as He gave us the Reformers in the 1600s who brought us out of the "Dark Ages" ...

:wave

Patchwork
January 21st, 2008, 11:00 PM
Hi Blitzkreig,
I like the Old Scofield notes much better than the New, too. I'm glad you made a good case for them. The old bible would probably be more used if the notes were set up in a user-friendly format. One can do it with a notebook and pencil, and it's worth it

But they are indexed and can be got to on e-sword, which is free online.

If you have e-sword you may not have stumbled on the fact that the Scofield notes are indexed at Hos 4:9 and the following verses. Don't ask me why. I stumbled on it myself . Just go to Hos 4:9, in the bible window, and look at your commentaries and the Scofield one will be lit up. This might be good to know for anyone who uses e-sword.

Those are good points you made . I'll check Google to see what I can find about Larkin, I once enjoyed him, except his maps!.

WretchSaved
January 21st, 2008, 11:02 PM
To me the Bible is an answer to my daily existence.

I allow my bible to fall open, and I always find answers to my questions or how to deal with the turmoil that seems to never cease to fill my life.

Daily reading and one-on-one's...are the best prescription to survival in this ever so perverted world that we call home.

My home is in Heaven, and I impatiently await His arrival.

blitzkreig
January 22nd, 2008, 11:33 AM
One can do it with a notebook and pencil, and it's worth it

But they are indexed and can be got to on e-sword, which is free online.


Here they are on PDF if it helps any ...

http://bennieblount.com/Site/Online/Scofield/ScofieldNotes/ScofieldNotes.pdf

blitzkreig
January 22nd, 2008, 12:03 PM
I allow my bible to fall open, and I always find answers to my questions or how to deal with the turmoil that seems to never cease to fill my life.


With respect ... I have heard others say they do this ... so I hope that this doesn't sound like I am picking on you. You are likely doing what you have heard said that others do. But as you know what others do doesn't make a thing "right".

I would discourage taking Scripture out of it's context of the whole Word. God put it together in the way you see it today ... and preserved it so ... for a reason.

I wouldn't use a dart on the newspaper stock reports to pick investments to plan my retirement portfolio ... and if that is so with the mundane I wouldn't do it with the sublime.

The Bible is an actual message with directions which lead somewhere ... a place.

The message is a working "Whole". Interwoven in such a way that the message Genesis is totally incomplete without Revelation. Without the information given us about Creation in Genesis ... it pulls the legs out from under the whole of the New Testament ... and the reason for the Last Adam.

If you took the Book of Romans out from the 66 books ... it so diminishes the message in the other 65 Books ... Christian doctrine would be infinitely less than it is today.

When you think of it ... it would make "The Infinite Book" ... something less than "infinite" ... finite even.

Yes it takes quite an effort ... even many trials and failures to get one's arms around it. It doesn't give 21st century style instant satisfaction. "Sound bites" style.

That is why I recommend the investment into some study tools to make the task less daunting. Many of the tools can be had for cheap or free.

It takes investigating the teportedly "wackyer" theologians as well as the most "respected" ... sifting the input of these great men of God and keeping what is good, and discarding the rest.

If one wants less "turmoil" consider allowing Gods Word to speak the way He intended it to.

:)

WretchSaved
January 22nd, 2008, 10:59 PM
blitzkreig...With respect ... I have heard others say they do this ... so I hope that this doesn't sound like I am picking on you. You are likely doing what you have heard said that others do. But as you know what others do doesn't make a thing "right".

I never suggested that what works for me was right for another. I do what I do because I have full faith that God will answer my prayers and show me how the Bible deals with the situations I face.

If something else works for you...FANTASTIC! Go for it!

And since you do not know my heart nor my needs, I do not expect you to understand.

As far as context, I do not only read a particular scripture, but I study it.



(blitzkreig)-A swift, sudden military offensive. I am not here to fight battles.

That is why I recommend the investment into some study tools to make the task less daunting. Many of the tools can be had for cheap or free. Why the assumption? FYI-I have many different tools.

Why the dis-belief in what others say?

I am quite confident that when I open my Bible that God is involved, and I can not think of any other thing that would offer any greater answer to my situation. Thanks of the concern, but really it is not necessary.

JesusFreak92
January 22nd, 2008, 11:24 PM
The bible excites me when I thnk of it and God.

blitzkreig
January 23rd, 2008, 06:37 PM
I never suggested that what works for me was right for another. I do what I do because I have full faith that God will answer my prayers and show me how the Bible deals with the situations I face.

If something else works for you...FANTASTIC! Go for it!

And since you do not know my heart nor my needs, I do not expect you to understand.

As far as context, I do not only read a particular scripture, but I study it. Oh, I do understand you all right ...

I have actually heard a preacher recommend that from the pulpit. Of course I have heard a lot of other things from the pulpit at times ... specially the TV pulpit ...:hehee

All I was saying is that God's Word wasn't left us as a "Ouija Board" or "Magic 8 Ball" ...

The Scriptures are a story. A message. A revealed plan. Both the Scriptures and the Lord Himself are called the WORD (Logos). (John 1:1). When you think of it Jesus is the effulgence of God (Shekinah) and the Scriptures are the reflection of that Glory ... left to us ... as the moon is to the sun. (Or Moses face was when he came down the mountain ...)

I do not even believe in this era where and when we have the indwelling of the Spirit of God as our interpreter ... that it is proper to "leave a fleece out" ... ( as was done in Judges 6:37-40) ... or even "cast lots" (or throw dice) to seek Gods will ... and that was done by 11 Apostles to pick Matthias as the 12th !!! (Acts 1:26).

So call me narrow if you like. That's fine with me.

By the way how one "feels about it" ("knows my needs") is more than just a bit misleading ... I believe dangerous even.

I recommend one never trusts their "feelings" ... as such feelings ... even after regeneration ... are yet ... more than just a little bit ... influenced by the adamic nature.

The Book was left us to be used as instructed ... and the only instructions which I see written in Scripture is to "study".

You would have to show me Scripture which aligns the Bible ... to any other purpose than study.

No offense intended ... but should you personally choose to use the Scripture in a way other than we are taught ... Scripturally ... that is fine ... but I wouldn't encourage you to share the fact with others.



AKJV1611
January 23rd, 2008, 07:28 PM
[QUOTE=blitzkreig;413599]Oh, I do understand you all right ...

blitzreig, you have posted some very good help, but sad to say some do not like been helped.

Proverbs 5:13 And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me! :doh


I do not even believe in this era where and when we have the indwelling of the Spirit of God as our interpreter ... that it is proper to "leave a fleece out" ... ( as was done in Judges 6:37-40) ... or even "cast lots" (or throw dice) to seek Gods will ... and that was done by 11 Apostles to pick Matthias as the 12th !!! (Acts 1:26).

So call me narrow if you like. That's fine with me.

By the way how one "feels about it" ("knows my needs") is more than just a bit misleading ... I believe dangerous even.

I recommend one never trusts their "feelings" ... as such feelings ... even after regeneration ... are yet ... more than just a little bit ... influenced by the adamic nature.

The Book was left us to be used as instructed ... and the only instructions which I see written in Scripture is to "study".

You would have to show me Scripture which aligns the Bible ... to any other purpose than study.

No offense intended ... but should you personally choose to use the Scripture in a way other than we are taught ... Scripturally ... that is fine ... but I wouldn't encourage you to share the fact with others.

WretchSaved
January 23rd, 2008, 10:33 PM
Oh, I do understand you all right ...

I have actually heard a preacher recommend that from the pulpit. Of course I have heard a lot of other things from the pulpit at times ... specially the TV pulpit ...:hehee

All I was saying is that God's Word wasn't left us as a "Ouija Board" or "Magic 8 Ball" ...

The Scriptures are a story. A message. A revealed plan. Both the Scriptures and the Lord Himself are called the WORD (Logos). (John 1:1). When you think of it Jesus is the effulgence of God (Shekinah) and the Scriptures are the reflection of that Glory ... left to us ... as the moon is to the sun. (Or Moses face was when he came down the mountain ...)

I do not even believe in this era where and when we have the indwelling of the Spirit of God as our interpreter ... that it is proper to "leave a fleece out" ... ( as was done in Judges 6:37-40) ... or even "cast lots" (or throw dice) to seek Gods will ... and that was done by 11 Apostles to pick Matthias as the 12th !!! (Acts 1:26).

So call me narrow if you like. That's fine with me.

By the way how one "feels about it" ("knows my needs") is more than just a bit misleading ... I believe dangerous even.

I recommend one never trusts their "feelings" ... as such feelings ... even after regeneration ... are yet ... more than just a little bit ... influenced by the adamic nature.

The Book was left us to be used as instructed ... and the only instructions which I see written in Scripture is to "study".

You would have to show me Scripture which aligns the Bible ... to any other purpose than study.

No offense intended ... but should you personally choose to use the Scripture in a way other than we are taught ... Scripturally ... that is fine ... but I wouldn't encourage you to share the fact with others.




whatever... judge not and you will not be judged.

if i am wrong, then i am quite sure God will let me know.