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theroc
January 22nd, 2008, 06:37 PM
i am sure there has got to be great stuff on this subject somewhere out there...

dramama
January 22nd, 2008, 07:35 PM
What do you mean by "who was Cain afraid of when he killed Abel"...? I would say he was afraid of God because he knew he had done something wrong...but you are vague in your question.....scripture doesn't say Cain was afraid, but having done something so horrible it could be implied, and he would be afraid of God (and what his family would do and say).....:scratch

Genesis 4 (NKJV)
Cain Murders Abel
1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, “I have acquired a man from the LORD.” 2 Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3 And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the LORD. 4 Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the LORD respected Abel and his offering, 5 but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.6 So the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”
8 Now Cain talked with Abel his brother; and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.
9 Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?”
He said, “I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?”
10 And He said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground. 11 So now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield its strength to you. A fugitive and a vagabond you shall be on the earth.”
13 And Cain said to the LORD, “My punishment is greater than I can bear! 14 Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me.”
15 And the LORD said to him, “Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.


Genesis 4 (KJV)
1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

2And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

8And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

9And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

10And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

11And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

12When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

13And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

ANewCreature
January 22nd, 2008, 07:41 PM
I think it's in the "anyone who finds me will kill me" part the OP is wondering about. Cain may have been speaking knowing that there were already younger brother and sisters who had moved out of Eden, as Gen. 5:4 says Adam and Even had other sons and daughters, or he might have been speaking simply guessing that others would be born of Adam and Eve.

dramama
January 22nd, 2008, 08:03 PM
I think it's in the "anyone who finds me will kill me" part the OP is wondering about. Cain may have been speaking knowing that there were already younger brother and sisters who had moved out of Eden, as Gen. 5:4 says Adam and Even had other sons and daughters, or he might have been speaking simply guessing that others would be born of Adam and Eve.

ahhh...:thumb

Buzzardhut
January 23rd, 2008, 12:39 AM
I think it's in the "anyone who finds me will kill me" part the OP is wondering about. Cain may have been speaking knowing that there were already younger brother and sisters who had moved out of Eden, as Gen. 5:4 says Adam and Even had other sons and daughters, or he might have been speaking simply guessing that others would be born of Adam and Eve.
yes, relatives seeking revenge
what mark prevents relatives from killing you?

Cd4u_2
January 23rd, 2008, 01:14 AM
yes, relatives seeking revenge
what mark prevents relatives from killing you?

Or expecting punishment as the bible says:

Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Of course, they didn't have that "law" at the time, but his family probably felt it is necessary for him to be put to death because what he did.

Buzzardhut
January 23rd, 2008, 01:29 AM
Or expecting punishment as the bible says:

Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Of course, they didn't have that "law" at the time, but his family probably felt it is necessary for him to be put to death because what he did.
Were there any human witnesses?
And how would news spread that Cain was the murderer?

roberto49
January 23rd, 2008, 01:33 AM
Cain and the MARK reminds me of another MARK....666 ...what do you think? i might be wrong....( it happens often 2 me :)

Cd4u_2
January 23rd, 2008, 01:39 AM
Were there any human witnesses?
And how would news spread that Cain was the murderer?

I think they would noticed that Abel is dead or missing.

And that the only proof they have is that he was alone with Cain.

Like may courts.. they don't have witnesses either.. but they have evidences as a witness tools. But like I said, back then, they probably didn't have the laws that tell them to have two or three witnesses.. They probably wanted to put him to death as a punishment without any witnesses.

in Adam and Eve's time, I think the family grew larger and they all heard about the first murder and want to punish him still. I am not sure if it out of revenge or not. It's sort of like in the old west. whenever someone murder, they put up a "Wanted" sign so everyone will know all about the murderer even if they never seen or met the murderer.

Buzzardhut
January 23rd, 2008, 04:37 AM
I think they would noticed that Abel is dead or missing.

And that the only proof they have is that he was alone with Cain.

Like may courts.. they don't have witnesses either.. but they have evidences as a witness tools. But like I said, back then, they probably didn't have the laws that tell them to have two or three witnesses.. They probably wanted to put him to death as a punishment without any witnesses.

in Adam and Eve's time, I think the family grew larger and they all heard about the first murder and want to punish him still. I am not sure if it out of revenge or not. It's sort of like in the old west. whenever someone murder, they put up a "Wanted" sign so everyone will know all about the murderer even if they never seen or met the murderer. There were avengers and redeemers.
How would the mark stop them?