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Sing4Him
October 3rd, 2007, 12:50 AM
The Avalanche of Spiritual Formation

When I first began writing in the field in the late 70s and early 80s the term "Spiritual Formation" was hardly known, except for highly specialized references in relation to the Catholic orders. Today it is a rare person who has not heard the term. Seminary courses in Spiritual Formation proliferate like baby rabbits. Huge numbers are seeking to become certified as Spiritual Directors to answer the cry of multiplied thousands for spiritual direction.1 Richard Foster

What is spiritual formation and what is its premise? According to Roger Oakland, spiritual formation came upon the church like an unsuspecting avalanche:
A move away from the truth of God's Word to a mystical form of Christianity has infiltrated, to some degree, nearly all evangelical denominations. Few Bible teachers saw this avalanche coming. Now that it is underway, most do not realize it has even happened.

The best way to understand this process is to recall what happened during the Dark Ages when the Bible became the forbidden book. Until the Reformers translated the Bible into the language of the common people, the great masses were in darkness. When the light of God's Word became available, the Gospel was once again understood.

I believe history is repeating itself. As the Word of God becomes less and less important, the rise in mystical experiences escalates, and these experiences are presented to convince the unsuspecting that Christianity is about feeling, touching, smelling, and seeing God. The postmodern mindset is the perfect environment for fostering spiritual formation. This term suggests there are various ways and means to get closer to God and to emulate him. Thus the idea that if you do certain practices, you can be more like Jesus. Proponents of spiritual formation erroneously teach that anyone can practice these mystical rituals and find God within. Having a relationship with Jesus Christ is not a prerequisite. In a DVD called Be Still, which promotes contemplative prayer, Richard Foster said that contemplative prayer is for anyone and that by practicing it, one becomes "a portable sanctuary" for "the presence of God."2 Rather than having the indwelling of the person of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, spiritual formation through the spiritual disciplines supposedly transforms the seeker by entering an altered realm of consciousness.

The spiritual formation movement is widely promoted at colleges and seminaries as the latest and the greatest way to become a spiritual leader. It teaches people that this is how they can become more intimate with God and truly hear His voice. Even Christian leaders with longstanding reputations of teaching God's word seem to be succumbing. In so doing, many Christian leaders are frivolously playing with fire, and the result will be thousands, probably millions, getting burned.

It isn't going into the silence that transforms a person's life. It is in accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and allowing Him to change us, that transformation occurs. (Faith Undone,:thumb pp. 90-92)

Just how widespread is the spiritual formation movement. Well, as research analyst and author Ray Yungen points out, even Rick Warren is behind the movement: In [Purpose Driven Church], Warren praises a number of parachurch movements he believes God has "raised up" to remedy a "neglected purpose" in Christianity. One of these he mentions is the spiritual formation movement, which promotes contemplative prayer through the "Spiritual Disciplines." Warren names Richard Foster and Dallas Willard as leaders of this movement.3

It is interesting that as far back as the early 90s Rick Warren connected Richard Foster to the spiritual formation movement. This is an accurate assessment on Warren's part (Warren's guilt doesn't lie in identifying Foster - it lies in calling the movement "vital" and "needed" and then promoting it ever since.)

To understand spiritual formation, all one needs to do is understand the spirituality of Richard Foster. Lighthouse Trails has documented his beliefs through A Time of Departing , Faith Undone, and Running Against the Wind, as well as through numerous articles on the Lighthouse Trails Research site. In this particular article, let us turn to a small book Richard Foster wrote called Meditative Prayer. Foster says that the purpose of meditative prayer is to create a "spiritual space" or "inner sanctuary" through "specific meditation exercises" (p. 9). Foster references several mystics in the book who can point the way to these exercises: Madame Guyon, Teresa of Avila, Francis de Sales, Henri Nouwen, and Thomas Merton. Foster breaks the contemplative process down into three steps.

He says:
The first step [into meditative prayer] is sometimes called "centering down." Others have used the term re-collection; that is, a re-collecting of ourselves until we are unified or whole. The idea is to let go of all competing distractions until we are truly centered, until we are truly present where we are.Foster suggests that practicing visualization methods help us center down (p. 17). In the second step of meditation, Foster suggests that mystic Richard Rolle experienced "physical sensations" (see kundalini info) during meditation which perhaps we may or may not experience as well (p. 18). Step three of meditation, Foster says, is that of "listening" to God. Once the meditative exercises have been implemented and the "spiritual ecstasy" is reached, this entered realm is where the voice of God can be heard (p. 23). However, as any New Age meditator knows, this ecstatic state is an altered state of consciousness where everything is supposed to be unified and one with God. Foster acknowledges the interspiritual attribute linked to contemplative prayer when he states: "[Jesus] showed us God's yearning for the gathering of an all-inclusive community of loving persons" (p. 5). Foster defines more of what he means by "all-inclusive" in his book Streams of Living Water when he says this "all-inclusive community" includes everything from a "Catholic monk" to a "Baptist evangelist."4 In other writings, he says that contemplative prayer (and its results) are for everyone and anyone (see Be Still DVD).

Interestingly, Foster discusses the practice of lectio divina in his book, which is being heralded in many Christian settings as a Christian, biblical practice. People are persuaded to believe that repeating phrases and words of Scripture over and over again is a deeper way to know God. They believe that since it is Scripture being repeated (and not just any words), then this validates the practice and that this sacred reading is sacred because it is the Bible being used. But Foster himself proves that it has nothing to do with Scripture. It's the repetition that is effective, not the words. He states: "[L]ectio divina includes more than the Bible. There are the lives of the saints and the writings which have proceeded from their profound [mystical] experiences" (p. 25). Foster obliterates the supposed premise of lectio divina by saying this. That is because as a meditation proponent he knows that meditation has nothing to do with which words are repeated over and over; it is the repetition itself that puts one into an altered state. Thus whether you say Jesus, Abba, Buddha, or OM, it produces the same effect.

Just in case there is any doubt in the reader's mind, Richard Foster tells readers to study Thomas Merton for a deeper understanding of meditation, calling his book, Contemplative Prayer a "powerful analysis of the central nature of contemplative prayer."

Spiritual formation is contemplative spirituality, and it is sweeping quickly throughout Christianity today. If a college, a seminary, a church, or an organization (like Focus on the Family) wants spiritual formation, may they keep in mind, they will get eastern meditation and the occultic realms that accompany it.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel. (Colossians 1:21-23)
As Roger Oakland states:
We are reconciled to God only through his "death" (the atonement for sin), and we are presented "holy and unblamable and unreproveable" when we belong to Him through rebirth. It has nothing to do with works, rituals, or mystical experiences. It is Christ's life in the converted believer that transforms him. (Faith Undone):thumb


Notes:
1. "Spiritual Formation: A Pastoral Letter"

2. Richard Foster, Be Still DVD (Fox Home Entertainment, 2006), section titled "Contemplative Prayer."

3. From chapter 8 ("America's Pastor") of A Time of Departing, citing Rick Warren, Purpose Driven Church, op.cit., p. 126.

4. Richard Foster, Streams of Living Water (San Francisco, CA: Harper, 1998), p. 273.


This article or excerpt was posted on October 2, 2007@ 3:40 pm .

From: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com

Sing4Him
October 9th, 2007, 04:47 PM
bump

Sing4Him
February 5th, 2008, 09:45 AM
Dallas Willard
—Promoting Contemplative Prayer
and Mysticism Through Spiritual Formation-----------------------------------------------------------

2006- Dallas Willard Participating
in the
Ancient Wisdom Conference

"WAY" of Jesus or Jesus as "THE WAY"
David Sheldon Discusses the
Ancient Wisdom Conference
"The conference page purports that "Two thousand years ago, Christian spirituality was new to the world. This was a time before churches as we know them." In other words, this conference is returning us to our ancient "spiritual" roots. (These roots, as articulated, are really mysticism and not truly Christian.)" Read more...
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Dallas Willard is a proponent of contemplative spirituality. Here are a few facts to show this:
1. Dallas Willard Helps Launch the Renovare Spiritual Formation Study Bible. The Renovare Study Bible Released at Renovare's With-God Conference in April of 2005:tsk:tsk:tsk

2. Willard has written the foreword to Ruth Haley Barton's book, Invitation to Solitude and Silence.

3. Willard recommends several contemplative authors including Richard Foster, Henri Nouwen, Jan Johnson, and Evelyn Underhill.

4. See connections, endorsements chart below.

Dallas Willard On Salvation

"What Paul is clearly saying is that if anyone is worthy of being saved, they will be saved. At that point many Christians get very anxious, saying that absolutely no one is worthy of being saved. The implication of that is that a person can be almost totally good, but miss the message about Jesus, and be sent to hell. What kind of a God would do that? I am not going to stand in the way of anyone whom God wants to save. I am not going to say "he can't save them." I am happy for God to save anyone he wants in any way he can. It is possible for someone who does not know Jesus to be saved."—Dallas Willard,
Apologetics in Action

"As far as the content of what I try to present is concerned it focuses on the gospel of the kingdom of God and becoming a disciple of Jesus in the kingdom of God. SO it doesn't merely have an emphasis on the forgiveness of sins and assurance of heaven as you are apt to find in most evangelical circles. I think that is vital but it is not the whole story."—from Kingdom Living, Dallas Willard



Dallas Willard - His Associations

Renovare

Tony Campolo

Dallas Willard's Recommended Reading List
on Contemplative Prayer and Spiritual Disciplines

The List Includes:

Richard Foster
Evelyn Underhill
Brother Lawrence
Henri Nouwen
Madam Guyon
Jan Johnson
Ignatius
Agnes Sanford
Teresa of Avila
George Fox ----------------------------------------------------------------
Other Connections, Endorsements, etc.
The Divine Conspiracy Henri Nouwen Back Matter
Invitation to Silence and Solitude Ruth Haley Barton Willard wrote Foreword
Spirit of the Disciplines Sue Monk Kidd Back Cover
Spirit of the Disciplines Bill Hybels Back Cover
Spirit of the Disciplines Thomas Merton, Agnes Sanford, George Fox Willard quotes favorably
Spirit of the Disciplines Richard Foster numerous quotes favorably
Hearing God Through the Year Jan Johnson co-author
The Post Evangelical (Youth Specialties) Dave Tomlinson Willard wrote foreword
Evangelical Alliance of Northern Ireland Speaks at their 2004 conference
Allelon Sits on the Allelon Board

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"Dallas Willard understands Quaker thinking about as well as anybody," Foster acknowledged. "I had him do a study once on George Fox and his insights just blew me away." An Interview with Richard Foster


Things You May Want to Know



A young man takes a class by Dallas Willard, and he is introduced to contemplative prayer.
"I bumped into the classic spiritual disciplines while taking a course called "Dynamics of Christian Life" in my second year of Bible school. One of our textbooks was The Spirit of the Disciplines by Dallas Willard. The course and textbook only touched on the actual disciplines, but the concept captivated me. The following spring, I found a copy of Richard Foster's spiritual classic Celebration of Discipline in a used bookstore. Opening it and discovering each discipline detailed chapter by chapter, I felt a profound sense of joy and excitement. I'd found a real treasure."


Where did Dallas Willard's class lead this man?
Take a look:
"I built myself a prayer room—a tiny sanctuary in a basement closet filled with books on spiritual disciplines, contemplative prayer, and Christian mysticism. In that space I lit candles, burned incense, hung rosaries, and listened to tapes of Benedictine monks. I meditated for hours on words, images, and sounds. I reached the point of being able to achieve alpha brain patterns, the state in which dreams occur, while still awake and meditating."Disciplines, Mystics, and the Contemplative Life
by Mike Perschon

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/dallaswillard.htm

billiefan2000
May 4th, 2008, 02:06 PM
SHAME FOR CRITICIZING DALLAS WILLARD


From time to time here at Apprising Ministries I will present email exchanges from the AM Mailbag which I feel led may be of edification to our readers.



This one below came from what certainly appears to be a sincere AM reader who wanted to offer criticism in a spirit consistent with one who is a Christian. As I say below I responded in kind.

However, due to the lateness of the hour I believe it is necessary that some of us speak boldly what God has placed on our hearts.

My sincere hope is that just as I am the first to say that faithful Christians who write in a more gentle tone are needed,


so also I pray others will come to understand there is also a place for those of us who must tear down strongholds..
like contemplative Guru Dallas Willard a close associate of Roshi Richard Foster


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Hello,


I don’t really know you or much about your blog but I just happened to come across it looking for some information on Rob Bell


I think you for your insightful article that I read.



I consider myself to be very much an orthodox Christian. I love Jesus with all my heart and want to serve him the rest of my days.



However, I just really feel that your blog is very hate-filled.


I think it is important to expose people who are false teachers, please do not misunderstand me.



But there is a way to do it, and there is a way not to do it.


Please have a look at this write up on the Emerging and Emergent church movements. It articulates it very well and is a great peace of research.



It is gentle in its approach does not speak in a smearing tone.



Furthermore, I really have to disagree with you on Dallas Willard.



I have read several of his books and I have never encountered anything that contradicts or compromises biblical teachings. Ever.


Period.


Neither is Willard a “co-conspirator” of the emerging church movement.



Willard is an orthodox evangelical christian who simply encourages CHristians to mature their spiritual lives with.


Have a look at his testimony here. Instead of relying on the words of others, its better to see what the man has to say himself.



Would the Real Emerger Please Stand Up? (Complete)



There is nothing wrong with being spiritual. The apostles encouraged it because they themselves where interacting with the holy spirit. God wants us to live in his spirit. This is not to say that we should ignore the Bible. The Bible feeds us with knowledge and understanding of our amazing God. We need the Bible and should be reading and seeking to understand it daily.




A healthy and mature Christian is both in the word and in the spirit daily. Willard simply encourages this.



I think you ought to be ashamed of yourself for lumping him in with the emergent church movement.


That is simply not the case and if you were ask Willard himself, he would agree.
Please forgive me if my words are harsh, but I write out of love for you and for our Lord. My prayer for you is to speak in a gentler language. To write objectively and to explain things in detail and without bias.



What you are doing is important, but I feel that you are doing it in a way that pushes people away from seeking the truth. It is very off putting.


Thank you.
In Christ,
AM Reader

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Hello AM Reader,


Thank you for contacting Apprising Ministries.



The noted Christian philosopher and apologist Dr. Francis Schaeffer used to say:

“Honest questions deserve honest answers.”


I believe this as well and so I will respond from a position of no offense taken and no intention of causing any. Setting this upfront due to the limitations of the written language.



Below you say: “I just really feel that your blog is very hate-filled.” It is, filled with a hate for false doctrine.



Part of my command as a pastor-teacher in 2 Timothy 4:2 is to correct and rebuke. It's not personal; it goes with the turf I’m called to work. You also said: “I think it is important to expose people who are false teachers, please do not misunderstand me.



But there is a way to do it, and there is a way not to do it.”



You then refer me to the type of an apologetic, so typical today, which I call “plus-minus.”


By that I mean we begin with an agenda, in this case: “I am not for the Emergent Church.”



So we start by listing the 3 or more “positive” things about this Emergent rebellion against the Bible followed by the 5 or more “negative” things in order to then state the foregone conclusion: “I cannot recommend the Emergent Church.” Well, I just choose to skip step one.



AM Reader, I don't misunderstand you at all and I commend you for your sincerity. However, I am one called by Christ 20+ years ago into Comparative Religion, apologetics and evangelizing non-Christian cultists.


I’ve done much independent study in these areas.




The basic mission of Apprising Ministries is found here and may help:


About Apprising Ministries


I am involved in the unconventional tactics of Special Ops in this spiritual Vietnam we call a Truth War.


And as a former high school football head coach I also look at ministry from the following perspective.


On the defense of a football team we don’t all have the same function.



The brother who wrote the article you linked would be more like a shut down cornerback using finesse to cover his man. I, on the other hand, am more of the middle linebacker. Both positions are necessary for the success of the team, but each is played differently.




Then you mention that his piece “is gentle in its approach does not speak in a smearing tone.” You are correct; it doesn’t. But then again, different approaches will require different methods, and in my leading from the Lord each is necessary.


And what kind of tone would you say is being used in the inspired Scriptures e.g. 1 Kings 18:25-28; Matthew 23; Luke 3:7-9; John 8:41-45; Galatians 3:1-3; 5:11-12; 2 Peter 2; Jude 8-16?



Then you say: “Furthermore, I really have to disagree with you on Dallas Willard.” Not a problem (see—Philippians 3:15-16). However, a couple of my reasons for saying what I have said re. Willard is because he is promoting and practicing the following:



THE CULT OF GURU RICHARD FOSTER


ORIGIN OF CONTEMPLATIVE/CENTERING PRAYER



In addition my good friend Bob DeWaay completely dismantles Willard’s unbiblical and anti-Protestant “disciplines” in his very scholarly article below:
The Dangers of Spiritual Formation and Spiritual Disciplines: A Critique of Dallas Willard and The Spirit of the Disciplines



Further concerning Dallas Willard you say: “I think you ought to be ashamed of yourself for lumping him in with the emergent church movement. That is simply not the case and if you were ask Willard himself, he would agree.”



Sorry, no shame here. I’m afraid Willard is going to have to correct his friend Emergent Swami Brian McLaren who:



cites Dallas Willard and Richard Foster, with their emphasis on spiritual disciplines, as key mentors for the emerging church. None of these thinkers has any inclination to throw out the baby of truth with the bathwater of modernity. I’m grateful to Andy for including the preceding, because many people doubt this. (Online source)



You will see that quote three quarters of the way down the page at Brian McLaren’s own website where he adds comment to the Christianity Today article “The Emergent Mystique.”



And finally, as far as the way I write in this part of my various labors in the Lord you said: “I feel that you are doing it in a way that pushes people away from seeking the truth. It is very off putting.” AM Reader, my job is “play the game,” as it were, with the skills God chose to give me; and my style is still right in line with Isaiah 6:8-10, which outlines my playing field.



May the Lord open your eyes that you might see the dark red sky this morning and recognize the time in which you live. I am afraid this is only the beginning and should the Lord tarry things are going to get mighty rough spiritually in the days ahead. You may believe me when I tell you that I sincerely wish I had better news.


For Christ’s honor I labor,
Ken Silva, pastor-teacher
Firebase Apprising




http://www.apprising.org/archives/2008/05/shame_for_criti.html

Sing4Him
May 4th, 2008, 05:52 PM
GO Pastor KEN!!!!!! Praying for you bro!!! :pray:pray

Sing4Him
May 8th, 2008, 12:46 AM
"An Evangelical Manifesto" Released:tsk

LTRP Note: Lighthouse Trails is posting this section of "An Evangelical Manifesto" with a link to the document itself, not as an endorsement but rather for research purposes.

An Introduction
"An Evangelical Manifesto is an open declaration of who Evangelicals are and what they stand for. It has been drafted and published by a representative group of Evangelical leaders who do not claim to speak for all Evangelicals, but who invite all other Evangelicals to stand with them and help clarify what Evangelical means in light of 'confusions within and the consternation without' the movement. As the Manifesto states, the signers are not out to attack or exclude anyone, but to rally and to call for reform.

"As an open declaration, An Evangelical Manifesto addresses not only Evangelicals and other Christians but other American citizens and people of all other faiths in America, including those who say they have no faith." Click here to read the rest of the introduction and see a list of people in the "Steering Comittee."
Click here to read the "Evangelical Manifesto."::tsk
http://www.anevangelicalmanifesto.com/docs/Evangelical_Manifesto.pdf

Some of the signers include:
* The signers we have listed below are from organizations that promote contemplative spirituality to one degree or another. Kay Arthur is the exception.


Leith Anderson

Don Argue
Chancellor, Northwest University

Kay Arthur
Founder, Precept Ministries

Mark Bailey
President, Dallas Theological Seminary

Mark Batterson
Pastor, National Community Church, Washington, D.C.

Doug Birdsall
Executive Chair, The Lausanne Movement

Darrell Bock
Research Professor of New Testament, Dallas Theological Seminary

George Brushaber
President, Bethel University

Bob Buford
Businessman/Founder, Leadership Network

Ergun Caner
President, Liberty Theological Seminary/Author

M. Daniel Carroll R.
Distinguished Professor of Old Testament, Denver Seminary

Loren Cunningham Co-Founder, Youth With A Mission

Jack Hayford
Founding Pastor, The Church on The Way, President, International Church of the Foursquare Gospel

Dean Hirsch
President, World Vision International

Kelly Monroe Kullberg
The Veritas Forum

Duane Litfin
President, Wheaton College

Max Lucado
Senior Pastor, Oak Hills Church, San Antonio, Texas, Author

Erwin Lutzer
Pastor, Moody Church, Chicago, Illinois, Gordon MacDonald Author/Pastor :ohno

J. P. Moreland
Distinguished Professor of Philosophy, Biola University

Shirley Mullen
President, Houghton College

Mark Noll
Professor of History, University of Notre Dame

John Ortberg
Pastor, Menlo Park Presbyterian Church, Menlo Park, California

William Pannell
Senior Professor of Preaching, Fuller Theological Seminary

Mel Robeck
Professor of Ecumenics, Fuller Seminary

Marguerite Shuster
Professor Preaching, Fuller Theological Seminary

Ronald J. Sider
President, Evangelicals for Social Action

Harold Smith
Editor in Chief and CEO, Christianity Today International

Rich Stearns
President, World Vision U.S. Joe Stowell President, Cornerstone University

Stephen Strang
Founder, Charisma Magazine

Jim Wallis
Founder and Editor, Sojourners Magazine

Amos Yong
Professor of Theology, Regent University

Rick Warren's name does not appear on the list of signers that is posted at the Evangelical Manifesto website at this time. According to reports, such as this one from World Magazine, he is one of the signers: "Evangelical Manifesto" calls for reform


From: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com
Category: * Global Peace

Wally
May 8th, 2008, 12:09 PM
...all other faiths?

Kill Power! Full Flaps! Down Brakes! Abort Abort!

Stop.
Need go no further.


Thanks for the update.

billiefan2000
May 8th, 2008, 12:16 PM
"An Evangelical Manifesto" Released:tsk

LTRP Note: Lighthouse Trails is posting this section of "An Evangelical Manifesto" with a link to the document itself, not as an endorsement but rather for research purposes.

An Introduction
"An Evangelical Manifesto is an open declaration of who Evangelicals are and what they stand for. It has been drafted and published by a representative group of Evangelical leaders who do not claim to speak for all Evangelicals, but who invite all other Evangelicals to stand with them and help clarify what Evangelical means in light of 'confusions within and the consternation without' the movement. As the Manifesto states, the signers are not out to attack or exclude anyone, but to rally and to call for reform.

"As an open declaration, An Evangelical Manifesto addresses not only Evangelicals and other Christians but other American citizens and people of all other faiths in America, including those who say they have no faith." Click here to read the rest of the introduction and see a list of people in the "Steering Comittee."
Click here to read the "Evangelical Manifesto."::tsk
http://www.anevangelicalmanifesto.com/docs/Evangelical_Manifesto.pdf

Some of the signers include:
* The signers we have listed below are from organizations that promote contemplative spirituality to one degree or another. Kay Arthur is the exception.


Leith Anderson

Don Argue
Chancellor, Northwest University

Kay Arthur
Founder, Precept Ministries

Mark Bailey
President, Dallas Theological Seminary

Mark Batterson
Pastor, National Community Church, Washington, D.C.

Doug Birdsall
Executive Chair, The Lausanne Movement

Darrell Bock
Research Professor of New Testament, Dallas Theological Seminary

George Brushaber
President, Bethel University

Bob Buford
Businessman/Founder, Leadership Network

Ergun Caner
President, Liberty Theological Seminary/Author

M. Daniel Carroll R.
Distinguished Professor of Old Testament, Denver Seminary

Loren Cunningham Co-Founder, Youth With A Mission

Jack Hayford
Founding Pastor, The Church on The Way, President, International Church of the Foursquare Gospel

Dean Hirsch
President, World Vision International

Kelly Monroe Kullberg
The Veritas Forum

Duane Litfin
President, Wheaton College

Max Lucado
Senior Pastor, Oak Hills Church, San Antonio, Texas, Author

Erwin Lutzer
Pastor, Moody Church, Chicago, Illinois, Gordon MacDonald Author/Pastor :ohno

J. P. Moreland
Distinguished Professor of Philosophy, Biola University

Shirley Mullen
President, Houghton College

Mark Noll
Professor of History, University of Notre Dame

John Ortberg
Pastor, Menlo Park Presbyterian Church, Menlo Park, California

William Pannell
Senior Professor of Preaching, Fuller Theological Seminary

Mel Robeck
Professor of Ecumenics, Fuller Seminary

Marguerite Shuster
Professor Preaching, Fuller Theological Seminary

Ronald J. Sider
President, Evangelicals for Social Action

Harold Smith
Editor in Chief and CEO, Christianity Today International

Rich Stearns
President, World Vision U.S. Joe Stowell President, Cornerstone University

Stephen Strang
Founder, Charisma Magazine

Jim Wallis
Founder and Editor, Sojourners Magazine

Amos Yong
Professor of Theology, Regent University

Rick Warren's name does not appear on the list of signers that is posted at the Evangelical Manifesto website at this time. According to reports, such as this one from World Magazine, he is one of the signers: "Evangelical Manifesto" calls for reform


From: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com
Category: * Global Peace



not surprised that Leith Anderson and Jim Wallis and John Ortberg signed this

Jack Hayford is closely associated with TBN and Christianity Today (nuff said)



I am saddened that Erwin Lutzer and Max Lucado and Ergun Caner signed this

Sing4Him
May 8th, 2008, 08:42 PM
I am shocked over Lutzer. I am saddened over Caner... but realize all (not sure about Lutzer) are part of Contemplative Spirituality.

The "roots" of this are even in this leadership network.

This signing is wrong. My insides just twist when I read this list.

Biola and Bethel have been apostate schools for some time now.

icebear
May 8th, 2008, 08:53 PM
I am shocked over Lutzer. .


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/icebear713/smilies/nodnotsmile.gif :(