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RWSchilz
May 26th, 2007, 06:31 PM
The Case Against the Income Tax


Could America exist without an income tax? The idea seems radical, yet in truth America did just fine without a federal income tax for the first 126 years of its history. Prior to 1913, the government operated with revenues raised through tariffs, excise taxes, and property taxes, without ever touching a worker's paycheck. In the late 1800s, when Congress first attempted to impose an income tax, the notion of taxing a citizen's hard work was considered radical! Public outcry ensued; more importantly, the Supreme Court ruled the income tax unconstitutional. Only with passage of the 16th Amendment did Congress gain the ability to tax the productive endeavors of its citizens.

Yet don't we need an income tax to fund the important functions of the federal government? You may be surprised to know that the income tax accounts for only approximately one-third of federal revenue. Only 10 years ago, the federal budget was roughly one-third less than it is today. Surely we could find ways to cut spending back to 1990 levels, especially when the Treasury has single year tax surpluses for the past several years. So perhaps the idea of an America without an income tax is not so radical after all.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1840255/posts

Just found this interesting.:)

tom_roberts
May 27th, 2007, 12:24 AM
Income Tax is illegal
unconstitutional
UN American

what the IRS claims gives its authority to exist [ the 16th amendment]
was never ratified by all the states therefor it is unjust, and illegal taxation

also in the IRS code one has to ''voluntarily comply''
so its not mandatory

its also not apportioned tax

not to mention on 2 different occasions the supreme court ruled that income tax is unconstitutional


http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=543343&fr=yfp-t-501
this is a full movie


here is a link to Arron Russo Freedom from Fascism

all Americans should watch this

CitySearcher
May 27th, 2007, 02:04 AM
also, there is no law on the books that state you are required to file a tax form each year. It's not against the law to not report your income.

TeachMe
May 27th, 2007, 02:22 AM
Income Tax is illegal
unconstitutional
UN American

what the IRS claims gives its authority to exist [ the 16th amendment]
was never ratified by all the states therefor it is unjust, and illegal taxation

also in the IRS code one has to ''voluntarily comply''
so its not mandatory

its also not apportioned tax

not to mention on 2 different occasions the supreme court ruled that income tax is unconstitutional

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsZO6G7dfpI

here is a link to Arron Russo Freedom from Fascism

all Americans should watch this


Well, how can you not volunteer to be taxed when your employer holds the tax from your wages before you ever get your paycheck?
Sounds mandatory to me.

Bernardd
May 27th, 2007, 02:26 AM
Great post. I seriously hope one day Americans will wise up and vote for officials who support a tax on consumption to replace an income tax. There have been a few politicians touting the idea (I think even Bush has considered it) but it's not quite important enough to the public. As the IRS continues to burden the public and as politicians continue to TAKE money from the taxpayers' pockets, I think it will eventually become a major issue.

also, there is no law on the books that state you are required to file a tax form each year. It's not against the law to not report your income.

And how many people go to jail each year for tax evastion? I wonder what Al Capone would have to say about NOT paying taxes.

FYI - there are laws that address income tax:

The federal tax laws are contained in Title 26 of the United States Code, which is the compilation of laws passed by the Congress (“Title” basically means “Volume” when applied to the U.S. Code as a whole, so Title 26 is what might more casually be called Volume 26). The most important statutory provision with regard to income taxes is section one of the tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 1. This is the section that actually imposes the income tax. It’s very simply written. If you are unmarried, the relevant provision is § 1(c), which states: 26 U.S.C. § 1
There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every individual . . . who is not a married individual a tax determined in accordance with the following table:
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm

Furthermore, the Constitution clearly gives Congress the authority to tax:

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

CitySearcher
May 27th, 2007, 04:44 AM
My taxes get taken out of my check. If my employer or the government gets it wrong, it's their fault, not mine....so, that means I am paying, and the congress is collecting. I shouldn't have to figure out if I gave them the right amount or not, or be penalized for not reporting to the government each year.

I didn't say one does not have to pay taxes, I said that there is no law on the books that say it is a requirement of each working citizen to send in a tax return each year. If you are not required to file a return, then also you are not required to report your earnings. It is up to your employer to make sure enough taxes are being taken out of your paycheck and to submit your earnings to the IRS.

In the case of self-employment, I would consider it obligatory though... If you are earning money, whether illegally or legally, and it is not being reported, (like Capone) then yes, I believe you are breaking the law...

CelticMist
May 27th, 2007, 05:17 AM
also, there is no law on the books that state you are required to file a tax form each year. It's not against the law to not report your income.
Might not be in the law books, but try not filing your taxes. You might find the authorities knocking at your door.

CitySearcher
May 27th, 2007, 06:41 AM
Yeah, isn't that always the case....:gaah

Well, I render under Caesar, what he says is his, (from my paycheck) - other than that, they don't need anything else from me....I'm just a small fish, and they don't go after those ones.... (usually.....:twitch)

:runaway




:hehee

tom_roberts
May 27th, 2007, 08:18 AM
watch the film

spread the word

America was a great nation be for the UN RATIFIED 16th amendment
now we are broke

if your ever on a JURY deciding a mans fate for not filling just ask,
no DEMAND to see the LAW that give the IRS the authority to exist

some win some do not
those that are in jail are there for a non-crime

folks they are stealing trillions every year and giving it to the federal reserve
and the rich banking families that run them

they are destroying a serious threat to them.the middle class

this is the issue, for now do what your heart tells you to do
But this is tyranny plain and simple

as a former Clinton official observed, ''Americas foreign and domestic
policy is no longer decided by the house or the Senate

he said the dirty little secret is that is the CFR that runs our government
now---the same government racing to a North American Union
a NWO globalization, These traitors, yes traitors for they swore to defend the Constitution when they got in to office and now work to destroy it

most of them anyway.

so you see this goes beyond taxes, these Bankers want to chip you
your children MY children.

They want to pass laws that put folks into jail for 26 years for a hate crime
for preaching the bible, for being against homosexuality

they want to force feed 8 year old their propaganda in our schools
tax you for your carbon emissions.


watch the film please and tell me what YOU think

Old 33
May 27th, 2007, 08:29 AM
watch the film please and tell me what YOU think
:tinfoil

The film is a joke.