Promises for Israel of today

[seekingtruth1]

Can anyone post or show me info on Gods promises to Isreal after they rejected Christ..... wouldyou just refer soemone to Revelation. I have a friend that belives promises to Isreal were negated when teh Jews rejected Christ....Replacement theology etc.
Re: Isreal...He scattered the Jews as He said he would and so how have they been obedient to Him in that time of scattering to warrent the coming together of Isreal ....perhaps it was not based on their behaviour.....but just HIS promise....??

Coudl it be His promise was for just teh NEw Jeruselum or is Modern day Isreal a distinct promise form Him? I knwo he said HE woudl make Isreal a Nation in a day....but why??/

[Lexie]

Can anyone post or show me info on Gods promises to Isreal after they rejected Christ..... wouldyou just refer soemone to Revelation. I have a friend that belives promises to Isreal were negated when teh Jews rejected Christ....Replacement theology etc.
Re: Isreal...He scattered the Jews as He said he would and so how have they been obedient to Him in that time of scattering to warrent the coming together of Isreal ....perhaps it was not based on their behaviour.....but just HIS promise....??

Coudl it be His promise was for just teh NEw Jeruselum or is Modern day Isreal a distinct promise form Him? I knwo he said HE woudl make Isreal a Nation in a day....but why??/


RR has a new article on this subject :)

The Spirit of Antichrist Moves Among Us John the apostle’s words are ringing louder and more succinctly than ever in the senses of those alert to the deceptive siren song of replacement theology.

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us” (1 Jn 2:18-19).

It was already the “last time” when John wrote this under inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The apostle who was so close to Jesus told us just how near is Christ’s return. Even though it has been almost two millennia, in God’s economy of time that is nothing. Proof of it being the last time was the fact that there were many antichrists in and around Jerusalem. The coming of Antichrist–the final, ultimate antichrist, was on the way. But, John goes on to say: "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world…” (1 Jn. 4:3).

Many, following the crucifixion of Christ, were at first claiming they believed that Jesus had been the Jews’ Messiah. They seemed genuine followers of Jesus among the true believers for a time. But, the further away the time of Christ’s death, burial, and well-known resurrection got, the more these drifted away from the truth that indeed Jesus of Nazareth had come into Jewish flesh–the God/man—to die on the cross, thus to provide a once-and-for-all sacrifice for sin.

Now, these who had claimed to be a part of the body of believers were feeling the pressures and heat of the atmospherics surrounding the Ressurection. The Romans would tolerate no god but Caesar. The Jewish high-minded religionists persecuted and pursued all who accepted, followed, and worshipped this imposter Jew who had claimed to be Israel’s Messiah. The Judaizer Saul, of course, was one who persecuted true believers, but who would soon become Christ’s most fervent evangelist.

John said, again, under inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, that this denial that Jesus had come in the flesh–as a Jew—the God/man to seek and save the lost, were “antichrists”. They had the "antichrist” spirit.

This “spirit of antichrist” is more and more in view today. This comes to my attention not just on a weekly basis these days, but on a daily, even hourly, basis. There is a massive denial among those who say they are part of Christ that Israel, the Jews in the modern nation and around the world, are any part of God’s plans for the restoration of all things. As a matter of fact, many of these attribute the terms “Jew” and God’s promises to that people to themselves. They go so far, in some cases, as to attribute the designation “Israel” to the nations of, for example, Great Britain and the United States. They are, they say, part of the 10 lost tribes of Israel. They, in other words, claim that they and/or these nations are the true Jews, and that the people who claim to be Jews are–well, like those of the Antichrist spirit in John’s day claimed Jesus to be–imposters.

These are doing the same thing that the Judaizers–the hierarchy of the Jewish religionists—were doing in John’s day. They are denying linkage between the Jews and God’s coming to earth in the form of Jesus the Christ. This is a denial that Christ has come in the flesh–Jewish flesh. This is the spirit of antichrist.

This “spirit” is the one that caused the progeny of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to be pursued, hated, and murdered down through the centuries. This is the “spirit” that Satan has used to rage against the chosen people since the promise of the seed that would be raised to destroy him (Gen. 3:15).

It is the spirit of antichrist that boils within Islam today. It is the spirit of antichrist that brought Hitler’s holocaust to the flesh and blood Jews–a thing that, unbelievably, is being denied as ever having happened by those who claim to be Christians.

And this is the reason for my rant in this commentary. The following excerpt is from one of many I get from around the world–most claiming to be Christians, and, I might add, to be the true Jews today–replacing the Jews that can claim genetic ties to Jacob, who became Israel.

The diatribe was much longer than I can devote to this limited space. But, this is the gist, and typical of what I get incessantly these days from those who say we who believe in the rapture, and who support the rights of a phony Israel to exist are, well, headed for a devil’s hell. The person sending this follows a “ministry” that holds to the British Israel theory, or to a theory that the Church has replaced the Jews–modern Israel—in God’s promises. He tells about a man who gives the following “testimony”:

“I have done my own research, and I have been to the concentration camp Dachau four times; once in college, and three times when I was in the military. I had some problems with what I saw, and with what I was told. I am going to attempt to clarify myself hopefully in an outline that is understandable.

First: 1) I stood in what I was told was the gas chamber; but it was concealed as a large shower room. One question I had was very simple. Why would the Germans use a shower to conceal the gas chamber? If your going to kill the people with gas; then just do it, don't try to disguise it. There I stood in the middle of this large room looking at the shower heads; and I could smell gas; but was it coming from a vent, an outside source, or what. I couldn't tell. I thought this was somewhat strange. I even went outside the building looking for an outside source, or some kind of piping that would funnel any foreign objects into the building, but I couldn't find any. Actually, the gas smelled like the gas that came from the canisters that we used in combat training when I was in the military.

It wasn't until 12 years later when I was in the Air National Guard; and I went to Widmund Germany to support a Tactical Command fighter unit out of North Carolina, that I really started questioning what I was told earlier. I was in a combat communications unit, and in 1985 I had to go to the Air Force combat communications training school at Tinker AFB Oklahoma…

I went through training in the classroom; being trained in CPR, First Aid, Geneva Convention, and so forth, and then I went out into the field for three weeks training in combat.

This was the first time I was ever in the full MOP suite (gas mask, boots, and the entire ensemble) while in training. I was in a fox hole for six hours under the hot Oklahoma sun. One thing I was taught was that in order to have a successful gas attack; there has to be nearly perfect weather conditions.

In other words, to much wind could blow the gas that you directed at another country right back at you; and also, the rain has a way of dissolving or nullifying chemical, bacterial, and nuclear gas agents. One thing I learned was that water and steam could very well nullify any gas in the area. I started thinking, than how could the German's gas the Jews while they were taking showers?. They couldn't, the water and steam would dissolve the gas to the point that the gas would be neutralized.

I realize that it is a terrible thing to come against the Jews; after all, wasn't Jesus Christ a Jew? Wasn't the Jews God's chosen people? And wasn't the Word of God given to the Jews for them to study, and use to bring the light of the Gospel to the world? The answer of course is, NO!!!…”

This same “spirit of Antichrist” is flagrant among those who claim devotion to Christ. It is the denial of the flesh and blood people –the “chosen people”—into which the son of God was born. It is this spirit that will bring about the ultimate beast –the Antichrist. Jeremiah spoke to this in his prophecy about Israel during the Tribulation: “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it” (Jer. 30:7).

The spirit of antichrist is on a rampage, even in subdued ways among the Church, by refusing to address the hatred coming against modern Israel. It does, indeed, tell us where we are on God’s prophetic timeline.


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[JoelH]

Can anyone post or show me info on Gods promises to Isreal after they rejected Christ..... wouldyou just refer soemone to Revelation. I have a friend that belives promises to Isreal were negated when teh Jews rejected Christ....Replacement theology etc.
Re: Isreal...He scattered the Jews as He said he would and so how have they been obedient to Him in that time of scattering to warrent the coming together of Isreal ....perhaps it was not based on their behaviour.....but just HIS promise....??

Coudl it be His promise was for just teh NEw Jeruselum or is Modern day Isreal a distinct promise form Him? I knwo he said HE woudl make Isreal a Nation in a day....but why??/

I can think of Geneis still holding current, and certainly Romans 11. The Genesis line that whoever curses Abraham's descendents who will inherit God's promises will likewise be cursed is repeated in this dispensation. (Notice that the Jews still exist 2000 years after the Pentecost despite the unbelief.) in particular, there are a few anti-Semitic pomgroms done in the name of Christ that could find support in Supercessionism (replacement theology):

1. Crudades (medieval Catholicism)
2. Spanish Inquisition (Catholicism)
3. Nazi Germany (Protestant - Lutheran)
4. Nicholas II era Russia (Eastern Orthodox)

that ended up with God's judgment on the "Christian" party. Even if we discount the Catholics, Nazi Germany had the Protestant supposedly blessed by God. But still, God judged that Christian party.

[seekingtruth1]

I can think of Geneis still holding current, and certainly Romans 11. The Genesis line that whoever curses Abraham's descendents who will inherit God's promises will likewise be cursed is repeated in this dispensation. (Notice that the Jews still exist 2000 years after the Pentecost despite the unbelief.) in particular, there are a few anti-Semitic pomgroms done in the name of Christ that could find support in Supercessionism (replacement theology):

1. Crudades (medieval Catholicism)
2. Spanish Inquisition (Catholicism)
3. Nazi Germany (Protestant - Lutheran)
4. Nicholas II era Russia (Eastern Orthodox)

that ended up with God's judgment on the "Christian" party. Even if we discount the Catholics, Nazi Germany had the Protestant supposedly blessed by God. But still, God judged that Christian party.


Thank you BOTH! I am learning a ton from both posts! Thanks!

[seekingtruth1]

BTW - I want to send my old accupuncture Dr. a Bible but he needs it to be in chinese - i cant remeber his language exactly but he went to Med school in bejing so I woudl imgaine whatver they speak he woudl...Is there a place I can purchase a Bible for Him in a language of Chinese you suggest? I woudl be so greatful I have never had any luck!!!!



I can think of Geneis still holding current, and certainly Romans 11. The Genesis line that whoever curses Abraham's descendents who will inherit God's promises will likewise be cursed is repeated in this dispensation. (Notice that the Jews still exist 2000 years after the Pentecost despite the unbelief.) in particular, there are a few anti-Semitic pomgroms done in the name of Christ that could find support in Supercessionism (replacement theology):

1. Crudades (medieval Catholicism)
2. Spanish Inquisition (Catholicism)
3. Nazi Germany (Protestant - Lutheran)
4. Nicholas II era Russia (Eastern Orthodox)

that ended up with God's judgment on the "Christian" party. Even if we discount the Catholics, Nazi Germany had the Protestant supposedly blessed by God. But still, God judged that Christian party.

[JoelH]

Hi,

You can try the HKBS (Hong Kong Bible Society) at http://www.hkbs.org.hk/ . It publishes the CUV (Chinese Union Version) of the Bible, which is the most widespread Chinese language Bible in use. Click on CUNP (Chinese Union, New punctuations) after clicking Catalogue on the English version of the site.

Try contact them at the HK-based phone number for help. There should be of some help.

Hope this helps.

YBIC,

Joel



BTW - I want to send my old accupuncture Dr. a Bible but he needs it to be in chinese - i cant remeber his language exactly but he went to Med school in bejing so I woudl imgaine whatver they speak he woudl...Is there a place I can purchase a Bible for Him in a language of Chinese you suggest? I woudl be so greatful I have never had any luck!!!!

[Timothy Long]

Can anyone post or show me info on Gods promises to Isreal after they rejected Christ..... wouldyou just refer soemone to Revelation. I have a friend that belives promises to Isreal were negated when teh Jews rejected Christ....Replacement theology etc.
Re: Isreal...He scattered the Jews as He said he would and so how have they been obedient to Him in that time of scattering to warrent the coming together of Isreal ....perhaps it was not based on their behaviour.....but just HIS promise....??

Coudl it be His promise was for just teh NEw Jeruselum or is Modern day Isreal a distinct promise form Him? I knwo he said HE woudl make Isreal a Nation in a day....but why??/

In Hebrews 6:17,18 we are told God's nature is unchanging. That it is impossible for HIM to lie. In Jeremiah 31:35-37 the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar - (36) only if these decrees vanish from my sight ... will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me.(37)...only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel ...

[Timothy Long]

Can anyone post or show me info on Gods promises to Isreal after they rejected Christ...
Re: Israel...He scattered the Jews as He said he would and so how have they been obedient to Him in that time of scattering to warrent the coming together of Isreal ....perhaps it was not based on their behaviour.....but just HIS promise....??

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God's promises to Abraham, passed down to Issac, then to Jacob remain. God does not change. Even when the Jews rejected Jesus. Amos 9 says it all. We have been studying Amos in Bible Study. Many times God was gowing to show them (the ISraelites) his anger but the prophet cried out to God and He ceased. But in the final chapter of Amos, God does not relent. God says specifically they will be scatterred or exiled. Wherever they go God will allow terrible things to happen to them. They will become a nation again, never to be uprooted. {God gets very angry in the first of the 9th chapter, but calms down in the latter.} this is all about Israel and it is very specific. it is not about obedience but God's willingness to save a remnant of Jacob (Israel)

[hilhill]

In Hebrews 6:17,18 we are told God's nature is unchanging. That it is impossible for HIM to lie. In Jeremiah 31:35-37 the Lord says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar - (36) only if these decrees vanish from my sight ... will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me.(37)...only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel ...

Yes, but are they still His chosen people? True Jews (heritage and religion wise) have all gone to hell for the past 2,000 years, while mostly Gentiles have accepted the Gospel message and have received eternal life. I know that in the Tribulation the overlying theme is to bring Israel back to Him, but Israel was chosen as a guiding point for the rest of the nations. The whole Bible points to that. It was Israel who would bring about the Messiah who was for the WHOLE world.... So how are they still His chosen?

Can someone explain this to me?

[Timothy]

Can anyone post or show me info on Gods promises to Isreal after they rejected Christ..... wouldyou just refer soemone to Revelation. I have a friend that belives promises to Isreal were negated when teh Jews rejected Christ....Replacement theology etc.
Re: Isreal...He scattered the Jews as He said he would and so how have they been obedient to Him in that time of scattering to warrent the coming together of Isreal ....perhaps it was not based on their behaviour.....but just HIS promise....??

Coudl it be His promise was for just teh NEw Jeruselum or is Modern day Isreal a distinct promise form Him? I knwo he said HE woudl make Isreal a Nation in a day....but why??/

It is important to recognize that in the present dispensation, on an individual basis there is no positional difference between Jew and Gentile, as "there is no difference" (i.e. Romans 10:12, et al).

The Apostle Paul addresses your question in several places, namely Romans 11. On a national basis, it is fair to say in layman's terms that that God's program with Israel is "on hold" or "temporarily paused" in this present dispensation of grace. Here are a few highlights that I will draw your attention to. Note that on a national basis, today the nation Israel is in a "fallen", "diminished", "cast away", and "blind" state or status. The "until the fulness of the Gentiles" is obviously the rapture, and then the prophetic clock will start ticking again, but right now it is on "pause."

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Hope this helps...