Emergent leaders

[lisaann]

Months ago someone posted a list of authors, leaders ect. who are connected with the seeker sensitive/emergent church. I have searched for it and cannot find it. Does anyone remember this link or have a copy of this list (or one like it?)

:hat

[Sing4Him]

I'll start.. others here may add:

Brian McLaren

Rob Bell

Doug Pagitt

Tony Jones

Erwin McManus

Ruth Haley Barton

Tony Campolo

Shane Claiborne

Leonard Sweet

John Franke

Scot McKnight

F. LeRon Shults

Pete Greig:devil

Dr Marcus Borg

Dan Kimball

Duane Cottrell

Josh Reich

Spencer Burke


and we also have "The Contemplatives"

Rick Warren, Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Mark Driscoll, Beth Moore, Donald Miller, Thomas Merton, Ken Blanchard,
Max Lucado, Charles Stanley, Bruce Wilkenson, Chuck Colson, Mark Yaconelli, Brennan Manning, Larry Crabb,
John Michael Talbot, Matthew Fox, Jack Canfield, M Basil Pennington, Henri Nouwen, Christopher Penczak ,Calvin Miller,Jan Johnson, Phyllis Shirer



What is disconcerting is that the emergents and contemplatives seems to be "Merging"..:ohno

[seekingtruth1]

How is BETH Moore a Contemplative....? I have listened to 2 of her studies an dI thought they wer egreat....nothing oddd and no promotion of contemplative



I'll start.. others here may add:

Brian McLaren

Rob Bell

Doug Pagitt

Tony Jones

Erwin McManus

Ruth Haley Barton

Tony Campolo

Shane Claiborne

Leonard Sweet

John Franke

Scot McKnight

F. LeRon Shults

Pete Greig:devil

Dr Marcus Borg

Dan Kimball

Duane Cottrell

Josh Reich

Spencer Burke


and we also have "The Contemplatives"

Rick Warren, Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Mark Driscoll, Beth Moore, Donald Miller, Thomas Merton, Ken Blanchard,
Max Lucado, Charles Stanley, Bruce Wilkenson, Chuck Colson, Mark Yaconelli, Brennan Manning, Larry Crabb,
John Michael Talbot, Matthew Fox, Jack Canfield, M Basil Pennington, Henri Nouwen, Christopher Penczak ,Calvin Miller,Jan Johnson, Phyllis Shirer



What is disconcerting is that the emergents and contemplatives seems to be "Merging"..:ohno

[Sing4Him]

Beth Moore is on Richard Foster, Dallas Willard's DVD called "Be Still". She is an advocate of it.

"[I]f we are not still before Him [God], we will never truly know to the depths of the marrow of our bones that He is God. There's got to be a stillness." - Beth Moore, from the Be Still DVD (see "Beth Moore Gives Thumbs Up to Contemplative Spirituality")It is disturbing to know that evangelical leaders, like Beth Moore, are touting Brennan Manning 3 whose spirituality is so influenced by mystics like Thomas Keating. Brennan Manning is a popular and much read author of several books: Ragamuffin Gospel, Abba's Child, The Signature of Jesus, and many more. You may have heard of some of these. His influence is widespread in the Christian world. Christian authors, teachers, and leaders speak of him highly. Beth Moore says that his contribution to "our generation of believers may be a gift without parallel"1 and says Ragamuffin Gospel is "one of the most remarkable books" she has read.


.http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?s=Beth+Moore&submit2=Go%21


read more: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/bethmoorethumbsup.htm

Beth Moore and Contemplative Prayer
You may be asking yourself, where does Beth Moore really stand with regard to contemplative. The answer to that may at least partially be found in a book she wrote in 2002 called When Godly People Do Ungodly Things. In a section about "Unceasing Prayer" Moore states: "I have picked up on the terminology of Brother Lawrence, who called praying unceasingly practicing God's presence. In fact, practicing God's presence has been my number one goal for the last year" (p. 109).

Moore says: "A head full of biblical knowledge without a heart passionately in love with Christ is terribly dangerous—a stronghold waiting to happen. The head is full, but the heart and soul are still unsatisfied" (p. 60). This language is very indicative of contemplatives and echoes Richard Foster who said we have become barren within or Rick Warren who said the church is not fully mature without contemplative prayer. However, all of this talk leads one to think that the Word of God is little more than a philosophy and needs the help of contemplative prayer to be effective at all. The insinuation is that the Holy Spirit is dormant and ineffective without this extra stimuli. This is perhaps why contemplative-promoter Rick Warren says the last thing Christians need is another Bible study. Contemplatives are making a distinction between studying and meditating on the Word of God versus loving Him, suggesting that we cannot love Him simply by studying His Word or even through normal prayer—we must practice contemplative to accomplish this. But the Bible makes it clear that the Word of God is living and active, and it is in filling our minds with it that we come to love Him, not through a mystical practice that is never once mentioned in the Bible, except in warnings against vain repetitions and Old Testament warnings against divination.

Moore builds her case for contemplative in her frequent references to Brennan Manning in her book, suggesting that his contribution to "our generation of believers may be a gift without parallel" (p. 72). This is indeed a troubling statement made by a Christian leader who so many young women look to for direction and instruction in their spiritual lives. Many of those young women, in reading Moore's comments about Manning and her quoting of him in the book may turn to the writings of Manning for further insights. When they do, they will find that Manning is a devout admirer of Beatrice Bruteau, of The School for Contemplation. Bruteau, who believes that God lives in all creation, says:


We have realized ourselves as the Self that says only I AM, with no predicate following, not "I am a this" or "I have that quality." Only unlimited, absolute I AM.

And yet in Abba's Child, Manning says that Bruteau is a "trustworthy guide to contemplative consciousness." Manning, whose view of the Cross is very similar to that of Brian McLaren, promotes contemplative and states:


[T]he first step in faith is to stop thinking about God at the time of prayer.

Choose a single, sacred word or phrase that captures something of the flavor of your intimate relationship with God. A word such as Jesus, Abba, Peace, God or a phrase such as "Abba, I belong to you." ... Without moving your lips, repeat the sacred word inwardly, slowly, and often.

When distractions come, ... simply return to listening to your sacred word.... [G]ently return [your mind] to your sacred word. (Brennan Manning)

Beth Moore quotes Manning from his book Ragamuffin Gospel calling the book "one of the most remarkable books" (p. 290) she has ever read. But it is this very book that reveals Manning's true affinity with contemplative spirituality. In the back of the book, Manning makes reference to Basil Pennington saying that Pennington�s methods will provide us with "a way of praying that leads to a deep living relationship with God." However, Pennington's methods of prayer draw from Eastern religions. In his book, Finding Grace at the Center, Pennington says:


We should not hesitate to take the fruit of the age-old wisdom of the East and "capture" it for Christ. Indeed, those of us who are in ministry should make the necessary effort to acquaint ourselves with as many of these Eastern techniques as possible. Many Christians who take their prayer life seriously have been greatly helped by Yoga, Zen, TM and similar practices. (from A Time of Departing, 2nd ed., p.64)

Manning also cites Carl Jung in Ragamuffin Gospel as well as interspiritualists and contemplatives, Anthony De Mello, Marcus Borg, Morton Kelsey, Gerald May, Henri Nouwen, Annie Dillard, Alan Jones, Eugene Peterson, and Sue Monk Kidd.

For Moore to call Manning's book "remarkable" and to say his contribution to this generation of believers is "a gift without parallel" leads one to conclude that Beth Moore has absorbed Brennan Manning's spirituality.

In light of all these findings, it also becomes apparent that Moore does belong on the Be Still DVD after all, due to her advocacy of contemplative spirituality. And from the recent statement from her ministry, it appears she would agree with that.

[seekingtruth1]

I AM HEART BROKEN! UGH! So what do we make of this..I mean I belive Moore is a Christian so she is just getting blinded a bit? What? Has Lighthouse tried to reach out to her to educate her? :ohno


Beth Moore is on Richard Foster, Dallas Willard's DVD called "Be Still". She is an advocate of it.

"[I]f we are not still before Him [God], we will never truly know to the depths of the marrow of our bones that He is God. There's got to be a stillness." - Beth Moore, from the Be Still DVD (see "Beth Moore Gives Thumbs Up to Contemplative Spirituality")It is disturbing to know that evangelical leaders, like Beth Moore, are touting Brennan Manning 3 whose spirituality is so influenced by mystics like Thomas Keating. Brennan Manning is a popular and much read author of several books: Ragamuffin Gospel, Abba's Child, The Signature of Jesus, and many more. You may have heard of some of these. His influence is widespread in the Christian world. Christian authors, teachers, and leaders speak of him highly. Beth Moore says that his contribution to "our generation of believers may be a gift without parallel"1 and says Ragamuffin Gospel is "one of the most remarkable books" she has read.


.http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?s=Beth+Moore&submit2=Go%21


read more: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/bethmoorethumbsup.htm

Beth Moore and Contemplative Prayer
You may be asking yourself, where does Beth Moore really stand with regard to contemplative. The answer to that may at least partially be found in a book she wrote in 2002 called When Godly People Do Ungodly Things. In a section about "Unceasing Prayer" Moore states: "I have picked up on the terminology of Brother Lawrence, who called praying unceasingly practicing God's presence. In fact, practicing God's presence has been my number one goal for the last year" (p. 109).

Moore says: "A head full of biblical knowledge without a heart passionately in love with Christ is terribly dangerous—a stronghold waiting to happen. The head is full, but the heart and soul are still unsatisfied" (p. 60). This language is very indicative of contemplatives and echoes Richard Foster who said we have become barren within or Rick Warren who said the church is not fully mature without contemplative prayer. However, all of this talk leads one to think that the Word of God is little more than a philosophy and needs the help of contemplative prayer to be effective at all. The insinuation is that the Holy Spirit is dormant and ineffective without this extra stimuli. This is perhaps why contemplative-promoter Rick Warren says the last thing Christians need is another Bible study. Contemplatives are making a distinction between studying and meditating on the Word of God versus loving Him, suggesting that we cannot love Him simply by studying His Word or even through normal prayer—we must practice contemplative to accomplish this. But the Bible makes it clear that the Word of God is living and active, and it is in filling our minds with it that we come to love Him, not through a mystical practice that is never once mentioned in the Bible, except in warnings against vain repetitions and Old Testament warnings against divination.

Moore builds her case for contemplative in her frequent references to Brennan Manning in her book, suggesting that his contribution to "our generation of believers may be a gift without parallel" (p. 72). This is indeed a troubling statement made by a Christian leader who so many young women look to for direction and instruction in their spiritual lives. Many of those young women, in reading Moore's comments about Manning and her quoting of him in the book may turn to the writings of Manning for further insights. When they do, they will find that Manning is a devout admirer of Beatrice Bruteau, of The School for Contemplation. Bruteau, who believes that God lives in all creation, says:


We have realized ourselves as the Self that says only I AM, with no predicate following, not "I am a this" or "I have that quality." Only unlimited, absolute I AM.

And yet in Abba's Child, Manning says that Bruteau is a "trustworthy guide to contemplative consciousness." Manning, whose view of the Cross is very similar to that of Brian McLaren, promotes contemplative and states:


[T]he first step in faith is to stop thinking about God at the time of prayer.

Choose a single, sacred word or phrase that captures something of the flavor of your intimate relationship with God. A word such as Jesus, Abba, Peace, God or a phrase such as "Abba, I belong to you." ... Without moving your lips, repeat the sacred word inwardly, slowly, and often.

When distractions come, ... simply return to listening to your sacred word.... [G]ently return [your mind] to your sacred word. (Brennan Manning)

Beth Moore quotes Manning from his book Ragamuffin Gospel calling the book "one of the most remarkable books" (p. 290) she has ever read. But it is this very book that reveals Manning's true affinity with contemplative spirituality. In the back of the book, Manning makes reference to Basil Pennington saying that Pennington�s methods will provide us with "a way of praying that leads to a deep living relationship with God." However, Pennington's methods of prayer draw from Eastern religions. In his book, Finding Grace at the Center, Pennington says:


We should not hesitate to take the fruit of the age-old wisdom of the East and "capture" it for Christ. Indeed, those of us who are in ministry should make the necessary effort to acquaint ourselves with as many of these Eastern techniques as possible. Many Christians who take their prayer life seriously have been greatly helped by Yoga, Zen, TM and similar practices. (from A Time of Departing, 2nd ed., p.64)

Manning also cites Carl Jung in Ragamuffin Gospel as well as interspiritualists and contemplatives, Anthony De Mello, Marcus Borg, Morton Kelsey, Gerald May, Henri Nouwen, Annie Dillard, Alan Jones, Eugene Peterson, and Sue Monk Kidd.

For Moore to call Manning's book "remarkable" and to say his contribution to this generation of believers is "a gift without parallel" leads one to conclude that Beth Moore has absorbed Brennan Manning's spirituality.

In light of all these findings, it also becomes apparent that Moore does belong on the Be Still DVD after all, due to her advocacy of contemplative spirituality. And from the recent statement from her ministry, it appears she would agree with that.

[pegmo]

I AM HEART BROKEN! UGH! So what do we make of this..I mean I belive Moore is a Christian so she is just getting blinded a bit? What? Has Lighthouse tried to reach out to her to educate her?

I have done about 9 Beth Moore Bible Studies but I won't do anymore. In two of her more recent ones she worked hard to push Catholics as another Christian denomination and over-emphasized Christian unity but didn't distinguish between true and false unity. She appeared to have no discernment in this area.

[A Berean]

Compromise drowns discernment.:fear

[seekingtruth1]

great my BS group loves her.....I will not be liked too much for mentioning this. I think one may feel I am exaggerating all thsi contemplative stuff.

[A Berean]

:hugWelcome to the club:lol2.

[lisaann]

great my BS group loves her.....I will not be liked too much for mentioning this. I think one may feel I am exaggerating all thsi contemplative stuff.

:hugWelcome to the club:lol2.

:hug I am struggling to open the eyes of the people in our church as well. I think my Mother is finally starting to see the light. :yeah People look at me like I'm some sort of kook for questioning these teachers but I stand firm on scripture "test all things".