Seventh Day Adventist

[Daniel1210]

The SDA distribute a book called The National Sunday Law.

They see Sunday Worship itslef as the mark of the beast. (Not a physical mark, but a 'mark' in your mind to adhere to it.

SDA focuses on three things, the 4th commandment, healthy lifestyle, and prophecy.

Many, many sermons are a lead in to a 4th commandment lesson.

[Betty]

The SDA is not above using trickery to get their teaching across. We were invited a couple years ago to a prophecy study at a local hotel. There was no mention of being SDA on the material. We went to 6 meetings and no mention of SDA being involved. On the 6 night we were told that the next time we would be studying the mark of the beast. That night we were told that if we went to Church on Sunday we had taken the mark of the beast. Seeing how if you take the mark of beast you go to hell we were shocked and angry. I asked the leader why he had not revealed that this was a SDA event the first night, and he said it was the SDA Church who sponsored this meeting to tell us. I asked the people from the Church and they said it was the Speaker responsibility. We left very angry and have no respect whatsoever for the SDA.
The SDA convinces people they are going to hell because they worship God on Sunday, which is no where in the Bible. Going to Church on Sunday is NOT a sin.
betty

[BarbT]

Wonderful post Betty. :)

A couple of assertions on this thread stood out to me (1) the SDA should not be judged for their Sabbath beliefs (2) Salvation depends on keeping the commandments.

While it's fine to worship on Saturday, it is wrong for the SDA to condemn others for not doing so. We have liberty in Christ, not chains.:)

No one is saved by keeping OT law. Jesus is the embodiment of the commandments and He is in us! :nod

[BlessedinHim]

Wonderful post Betty. :)

A couple of assertions on this thread stood out to me (1) the SDA should not be judged for their Sabbath beliefs (2) Salvation depends on keeping the commandments.

While it's fine to worship on Saturday, it is wrong for the SDA to condemn others for not doing so. We have liberty in Christ, not chains.:)

No one is saved by keeping OT law. Jesus is the embodiment of the commandments and He is in us! :nod

:thumb:thumb to the bold, but disagree on the other point.

Our Salvation is not dependent on keeping the commandments. Our salvation rests solely in our Faith in Christ.
Jesus "simplified" the law into two commandments for us:
1. Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind and soul.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

If we do just those 2 things, then we have kept the law, at least that is how I get it. (It is possible I may have over simplified it in my mind.)

[OccamsRaz]

Wonderful post Betty. :)

A couple of assertions on this thread stood out to me (1) the SDA should not be judged for their Sabbath beliefs (2) Salvation depends on keeping the commandments.

While it's fine to worship on Saturday, it is wrong for the SDA to condemn others for not doing so. We have liberty in Christ, not chains.:)

No one is saved by keeping OT law. Jesus is the embodiment of the commandments and He is in us! :nod
Condemn? That is a strong word. I for one call all who would be Christian to keep the ten commandments through Christ who kept them and who strenghtens those who will keep them.

Since sin is the transgression of the law, then transgressing it is sin and will keep us out of heaven. Is that not simple?
If we offend in one point, we offend in all. Is that not simple? Christ is the call to obedience, and obedience to HIS law is obedience to HIM, since HE is the author of it.

It's clearly not about adventists and what they do and say, it's about Jesus and what HE asks of us.

[OccamsRaz]

Wonderful post Betty. :)

A couple of assertions on this thread stood out to me (1) the SDA should not be judged for their Sabbath beliefs (2) Salvation depends on keeping the commandments.

While it's fine to worship on Saturday, it is wrong for the SDA to condemn others for not doing so. We have liberty in Christ, not chains.:)

No one is saved by keeping OT law. Jesus is the embodiment of the commandments and He is in us! :nod
Do you have liberty in Christ to disobey HIS laws? I want to know how that works. When the law is broken, grace gives us another chance, but grace does not negate the law.
Can Christ's kingdom function without law? What would be the guidelines of behavior for HIS followers?

No one is saved by keeping OT law? Ten commandments gone?

Jesus is the embodiment of the commandments and HE is in us? Where do you get that? And please, not eisegesis.

Please show me where Jesus says HIS commandments are no longer in force.

[OccamsRaz]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He who says he is without sin is a liar.
I sin. Unfortunately daily. It is impossible to keep all of the commandments at all times. If it were, then Jesus' death would not have been necessary because some would have been 'good enough.' This just makes me so much more grateful for the grace and mercy I have recieved. I am unworthy, yet He died for me.
For what did you receive grace and mercy?

[BeenReady]

OccamsRaz,

If all you say is true, Jesus came for nothing.

We as christians are allowed to do all things, but all things may not be beneficial to us. If we continue to sin, we make a mockery of God, but we don't lose our salvation.

If you think that you can keep the laws, I would say that you are a liar. Forgive the strong wording, but only one person can do that and that was Jesus.

[Betty]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:


Eph 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Act 20:7 And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

[ChristianGal]

The SDA is not above using trickery to get their teaching across. We were invited a couple years ago to a prophecy study at a local hotel. There was no mention of being SDA on the material. We went to 6 meetings and no mention of SDA being involved. On the 6 night we were told that the next time we would be studying the mark of the beast. That night we were told that if we went to Church on Sunday we had taken the mark of the beast. Seeing how if you take the mark of beast you go to hell we were shocked and angry. I asked the leader why he had not revealed that this was a SDA event the first night, and he said it was the SDA Church who sponsored this meeting to tell us. I asked the people from the Church and they said it was the Speaker responsibility. We left very angry and have no respect whatsoever for the SDA.
The SDA convinces people they are going to hell because they worship God on Sunday, which is no where in the Bible. Going to Church on Sunday is NOT a sin.
betty

I had a visit last summer from a lovely young 20-something girl who was selling books about prophecy in order to fund her mission to another country. I was quite taken by this young gal and her clear love and devotion to Jesus. When I asked her what denomination she was (just out of curiousity) she became evasive and soon a young man joined us in front of our house. He wanted me to visit their church and after about 10 minutes of my trying to find out the denomination he finally said they were SDA. It strikes me really odd that SDA's try to keep their denomination secrety and I told them so in as nice a way as I could.

Later I did some research on SDA and I've personally come to the conclusion that they exhibit a lot of cult-like ways (for me it's a sure fired bet a religion is a cult if they take the word of a human over the Word of God and SDA certainly has done this according to their following of Ellen White). On the other hand, they seem to have the right understanding of salvation, which is why I'm not calling them a cult outright. But...I do find the fact that they hide their religion origin from others highly unusual and your experience proves it.