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godslove
May 30th, 2007, 06:50 PM
Foreknow
Does this word really have anything to do with peering into the future. I think it is wise to see how this word and its close relatives are actually used in the Scriptures. As you will see it means know before, as in knowing that person in the past. Of course this was and still is too strong for some, even those who are well learned. (the word represented by the # 4267 is from the following words represented by the #s 4253 and 1097 which bears out what I am saying.)

Acts 26:5 Which knew <4267> me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow <4267>, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew <4267>. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained <4267> before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before <4267>, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.



Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge <4268> of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge <4268> of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.



Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past <4266>, through the forbearance of God;


Here is Strong’s definitions. I think that he should of dropped the ie and forgot the supposition and the implications and just give us what the word means. I believe that if you go with what the Scriptures say, you will agree…God bless.

4267. proginwskw proginosko prog-in-oce’-ko; from 4253 and 1097; to know beforehand, i.e. foresee:— foreknow (ordain), know (before).

4253. pro pro pro; a primary preposition; "fore," i.e. in front of, prior (figuratively, superior) to:— above, ago, before, or ever. In comparison it retains the same significations.

1097. ginwskw ginosko ghin-oce’-ko; a prolonged form of a primary verb; to "know" (absolutely) in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as follow, with others not thus clearly expressed):— allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) know(-ledge), perceived, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

RefinedbyFire
May 30th, 2007, 07:32 PM
Well, I look at it this way: How can we believe in a sovereign God, if we don't believe He can actually foreknow the future? The Great Almighty has to know the future. I assume He must transcend time & space.

godslove
May 30th, 2007, 08:30 PM
Well, I look at it this way: How can we believe in a sovereign God, if we don't believe He can actually foreknow the future? The Great Almighty has to know the future. I assume He must transcend time & space.

the question is not if He could see the future. He determines the future. the future is not God. if He saw a future that he did not want, could He not change it?...God bless.

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Saved by Grace_06
May 30th, 2007, 09:35 PM
God's foreknowledge is way more than just what he foresees. God's foreknowledge has to do with people whom he knows intimately. For instance: God foreknew Jesus in 1Peter 1:20 the same way he foreknew his elect (who were elected in Jesus before the foundation of the world) in Romans 8:30. It is an intimate knowledge of persons and not just knowing things about people. God knows all of his people the way Amos 3:2 describes it..."You [Israel] only have I known of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."

Is that scripture saying that God didnt know facts about everyone? No. Its saying simply that he knows certain people, namely his elect, in an intimate way. He has chosen to set his love upon them and will bring them to glorification all to the praise of his most precious grace.

RefinedbyFire
May 31st, 2007, 08:33 AM
the question is not if He could see the future. He determines the future. the future is not God. if He saw a future that he did not want, could He not change it?...God bless.

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Well, I've thought about that. With the repentance of Ninevah (after Jonah's preaching), God changed His mind on the matter, and didn't destroy the city. Now, did God know He was going to change His mind, before He changed His mind? Or, did things fall in-line the way they were supposed to happen, to fulfill the written Word, that existed before the foundation of the Earth? (John 1). It is the same with David falling into sin with Basheba. Or, even Peter denying Christ three times (which Jesus foretold him it would happen). Yes, it was their choice to sin, and they were held accountable. Yet, their story was part of the written Word before the foundation of the earth. I believe it is the same with our lives.

Again, it is a mystery. All I know is that it makes me reverance God all the more!

SavedbyGrace06: Very interesting! Thanks for sharing that. I hadn't thought of it that way.

Saved by Grace_06
May 31st, 2007, 11:35 AM
Well, I've thought about that. With the repentance of Ninevah (after Jonah's preaching), God changed His mind on the matter, and didn't destroy the city. Now, did God know He was going to change His mind, before He changed His mind? Or, did things fall in-line the way they were supposed to happen, to fulfill the written Word, that existed before the foundation of the Earth?

"God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it" (Num 23:19, etc)?

"I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent." - Ezk 24:14

Some times the Bible speaks as "God changed his mind" or that "God repents." These are known as "anthropromorphism" and are basically human attempts to explain the actions of God. God never ever changes his mind because he is never ever learning anything new, but instead knows all things. He is perfect!

godslove
May 31st, 2007, 07:01 PM
God doesn't change His mind. this do and thou shalt live. the problem is without God's intervention everyone does evil..God bless.

Jeremiah 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter’s hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Genesis 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6 ΒΆ And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

BlessedinHim
June 3rd, 2007, 01:16 PM
I believe God is not tied to our time continuum. He created time for us. He IS. Our time line is like the finest dot in a huge book to Him. He has already seen all that we are, do, what we arent, what we wont do, etc etc. He is omnicient, omnipresent, omnipotent. With that said, we cannot put Him in a box. Our time is where we are now, but He is able to move all through it to any point on the line at anytime He chooses. We are not able to do that, obviously, and therefore have no true understanding of this concept.

godslove
June 3rd, 2007, 05:33 PM
hi blessed in Him.
i am a star trek fan and enjoy sci-fi although i don't believe alot of the things that they come accross with.
i beleive that God knows the end from the beginning. He sees all. He has a plan.

the only thing that i am concerned with is where in the Bible does it say that time is something more then a measurement?..God bless.

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

BlessedinHim
June 3rd, 2007, 06:18 PM
The fact that a thousand years to us is a day to the Lord says enough for me.